Posted on 11/19/2004 8:57:23 AM PST by Independentamerican
Bald faced lie.
And the financial incentives for American companies and inventors to automate much of this manual labor would skyrocket. It's just laughable that the most technically advanced country in the world would want millions upon millions of 3rd world peasants to undermine our strengths in innovation, not to mention our culture. It's all based on short-term greed.
That's a wild oversimplification. Illegal aliens work for less than citizens and legal residents because their labor is illicit. Also, the true cost of their labor is hidden by taxpayer goodies for illegals like emergency room care, declines in property values in neighborhoods taken over by illegals, etc.
In addition, there are now cultural barriers to legal workers in industries that are taken over by illegals. It's not just that Joe 6 pack won't work.
"Is there any way we can petition for a wall to be built? "
How 'bout this.....if legal status is given to the illegals, put them to work building a wall. When it's done put them all on the Mexican side of it.
He's thinking the the immigration problem is one of the largest problems facing our country right now, and must be addressed now.
The scope of the problem is huge, and we just don't have the resources to round up all the immigrants illegally in the US. We don't have the resources to line our borders with troops.
We can beef up the border guard some, and more importantly give them the authority and the backing to enforce the immigration laws. However, this won't solve the problem.
There are too many immigrants already in the country, the border is too large to effectively police, and the benefits of illegal immigration are too great for our efforts to be effective.
If we want to fight illegal immigration we need to shrink the size of the problem.
To do that we need to reduce the number of illegal immigrants in the US. We don't have the resources to search them all out and deport them. However, it's much more managable to have them come an apply for temporary worker status, and then concentrate our efforts on the undesirables.
We need to shrink the numbers comming in illegally and decrease the benefits of being in the country illegally.
A temporary worker program addresses that issue. If the majority of those willing to work get temporary worker status, then it will be much easier to find those businesses that are hiring illegal workers and go after them.
Workers who are being underpaid and forced to work in horrible conditions will be able to complain and get those abuses stopped if they are legal workers. This makes it less profitable and more risky for slimeball businesses who hire illegal immigrants and abuse them to continue to do so.
Bush's program has a chance of shrinking the problem to the point where we might actually be able to make progress on the issue of illegal immigration.
It also makes it more politically palatable to the politicians who have been blocking any effective immigration reform.
The way I see it. We can get hung up on punishing illegal immigrants and not being able to effectively combat the problem, or we can concentrate of the worst part of the problem, and no punish illegal immigrants who meet the requirements that would allow them to enter the country under the guest worker program.
I think Bush's plan is the only plan I've seen so far that has hopes of working.
I think we're going to have to adopts some form of policy that does effectively grant amnesty to many illegal immigrants.
However, we then need to aggressively go after those who don't fall under the guest worker program.
We need to shut down the businesses that hire illegal immigrants.
We need to punish those who attempt to smuggle illegal immigrants into the country.
We also can't just talk about the issue forever, because talking about it does encourage illegal immigration. We need to hurry up and implement it.
A better solution is to use legislative judo. Take the inertia of the Bush proposal and use it to advance the Tancredo plan.
We already have a program in place to accommodate foreigners who want to come to the United States. It's called legal immigration, and all legal immigrants are documented. We should never reward illegal alien lawbreakers for violating our immigration laws. Illegal alien lawbreakers should be deported, not rewarded.
But, now that the situation is so far out of hand - how to rectify & achieve voluntary repatriation of the "dependents" ?
Isn't that amazing? Our Border Patrol Agents risk their lives in a constant catch-22 situation. They are tasked to protect the borders and enforce our immigration laws, except the Beltway Powers That Be don't want them to do their job.
I see you swallowed the federal marketing ploy. Just like construction jobs that used to pay $25 per hour, now pay $9 to illegal aliens. This is killing this country. McDonalds make billions of dollars, yet want to pay minimum wage? If they paid a decent salary, it would attract many young citizen and young adults. Instead, they hire illegal aliens that are willing work for 5 or 6 bucks an hour, with zero benefits, and like it. Just like the construction industry and many other industries, they are driving down the wages, plain and simple. As the greedy employers count their profits on the backs of the tax payers that are forced to pay for this never ending madness.
Then it is an amnesty program.
Suddenly? No, of course not.
However, the Tancredo plan also calls for more enforcement against illegals and their employers, while simultaneously providing a legal, documented, and regulated source for inexpensive, taxpaying guest labor. This provides both positive and negative incentives for employers to get out of the illegal labor racket, and for illegal aliens to leave and do the same.
Will some or many guest workers eventually apply for permanent status? Sure, and there's nothing wrong with accepting them since they've demonstrated a desire to assimilate and obey our laws, and also as long as those accepted for green cards are calculated in our annual immigration quotas.
We're going to have foreign nationals coming into our country for the foreseeable future. A moratorium is quite unlikely and is likely unnecessary. The key is for our country to get control of who enters, and the the key to that is a guest worker program that doesn't reward illegal aliens for their lawbreaking.
BWHAHAHAHAAHAH. Without being exploited?
You think these contractors are going to start paying these illegals $25 per hour instead of the $9. per hour they are paying them now? You think that billion dollar corporation McDonalds is going to start paying them $12. per hour instead of 5 or 6?
Get real. This is nothing but amnesty and will attract and encourage millions more to pour into this country.
Yeah right. Whereas our government has vast resources to protect the borders of other countries around the world, and spend billions on foreign aid, SUDDENLY when it comes to protecting America's sovereignty and America's borders "we just don't have the resources". This doesn't fly. If our government wanted to, it could very easily cut the flow of illegal immigration by 90%+. The Truth is, it does not want to.
Take your transparent open borders defeatism somewhere else or be honest and just admit that you are for open borders.
I would not bet against you. This has been the sordid history. The only problem for the administration, (and it was very serious a few weeks before the election) is that a terrorist attack will undo the administration.
"the true cost of their labor is hidden by taxpayer goodies for illegals like emergency room care, declines in property values in neighborhoods taken over by illegals, "
Aren't those costs incured by having that American who won't take that job being unemployed anyway ?
If the American took the job, we would save half of it... the unemployed Mexican would go home...
How do you start a state petition? I want to get something like Arizona's Prop 200 in my state.
Most of these 'dependents' have dual citizenship (another right Americans aren't easily granted)......seems like those 'family values' would kick in & the illegal parents would take their kids home with them.
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