[Fatalis]

The showdown scenario is stupidly confrontational and counterproductive. You aren't going to get a 40 state uprising, if you had those kinds of numbers and passion we wouldn't even be having this conversation, the problem would be solved.

A better solution is to use legislative judo. Take the inertia of the Bush proposal and use it to advance the Tancredo plan.

[NJ_gent]

"if you had those kinds of numbers and passion we wouldn't even be having this conversation"

Under those circumstances, it would be far more an issue about the crushing jackboot of overzealous and out of control big government destroying the rights of citizens to secure themselves than it would be about illegal immigration. Also, we'd have those kinds of numbers if people realized just how much this issue does affect them. Right now, they don't see that they're directly affected, so they're largely apathetic.