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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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To: Howlin

I was giving another interpretation - the one that I would have reached - in answer to your question.

It is wrong to kill human beings who are not endangering anyone for the benefit of others - no matter how much we personally love the ones who may benefit.

There is no such thing as a right to life at the expense of another's right to life. If I die of kidney failure because there are no cadaver organs with the correct MHA typing, I will not die because any of the rest of us have more of a right to life than I or because the rest of you *want* me to die sooner. I will die because of my diseased kidneys.

BTw:
""Do not insult my intelligence"" ... "Anybody with a brain knew..." Pot, Kettle.


961 posted on 11/13/2004 10:26:53 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: AlbionGirl
What I don't understand is how anyone can say that killing an 8 week old baby isn't the same as killing an 8 year old child.

How about an 8 minute old single-celled zygote?

962 posted on 11/13/2004 10:27:01 PM PST by secretagent
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To: Henchman
You are the one who will be on the short side of this one, either way, based on your views.

Actually, you are wrong; first of all, most people on this forum are pro-life -- but the vast majority of them are not MILITANT about it; you can't guarantee that all of them would "leave" with you.

Plus, if the extreme right wing left the GOP, more than like conservative Democrats would feel comfortable here and add their numbers.

We win in one way, at least.

Oh, I know you win -- in one way: and it's the most important way to most of you: destroying the GOP as it is today; after all, you need to "teach us a lesson," right?

963 posted on 11/13/2004 10:27:08 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: MHGinTN

You never know; after all, you just agreed with me on one thing.


964 posted on 11/13/2004 10:27:37 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin
"But if I were to say that IMO you represent the Taliban wing of the GOP and are the ugly face of the GOP, you'll hit that abuse button like a crack addict reaching for his pipe."

LOLOLOLOL! NO!!! Howlin, (I'll find the link and wv.file when I get to my other computer) -

We'll just call you algore from now on - and mean it!!!
965 posted on 11/13/2004 10:28:40 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: Howlin

If the GOP muffs this term of Bush's and we get more David Souters and Sandra Day O'Connors on the Supreme Court (and ESPECIALLY if replacing Rehnquist or Scalia) then it has just written its own suicide note.


966 posted on 11/13/2004 10:30:17 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

I'll put you down as posting yet another threat.


967 posted on 11/13/2004 10:31:14 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin
"Plus, if the extreme right wing left the GOP, more than like conservative Democrats would feel comfortable here and add their numbers."

Wow. Now, you're engaging in blatant ignorance or outright intellectual dishonety - or delusional denial...
968 posted on 11/13/2004 10:31:33 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ApesForEvolution
Wow. Now, you're engaging in blatant ignorance or outright intellectual dishonety - or delusional denial...

Two words: Zell Miller.

969 posted on 11/13/2004 10:32:53 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

Threat, schmeat. The odor from the GOP will be so intense that a 100 lb. vise on the nose will not render it possible for the GOP's erstwhile pro-life constituency to vote for them any more. The GOP will do themselves in, if they do not bork Spector and go nuclear.


970 posted on 11/13/2004 10:33:28 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

Well, I'm betting Specter stays, so you best start packing.


971 posted on 11/13/2004 10:34:19 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

I think I would like to take that bet. What do we wager?


972 posted on 11/13/2004 10:36:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Howlin
Two words: Zell Miller.

You really don't know how few Zell Millers there are left in the Democrat Party, do you...

973 posted on 11/13/2004 10:36:19 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: MHGinTN

The party will deserve a spanking? WOW!!!! I am just amazed at what is going on here. Sickened, and amazed.


974 posted on 11/13/2004 10:36:21 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: Howlin

"Disproportionate" "percentage"

The numbers increased for both sides, ours quite a bit more than the Democrats.

Regardless, our nation is a republic and the voters select the lawmakers. We must inform them of our priorities after the election just as we do before.


Do you have a link for that quote? It didn't come up in my google news search.


975 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:02 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Howlin

The moment he starts preaching to Bush again as though he were the voice of the Democrats, resulting in most of the evangelical AND Catholic base recoiling, we will be all over you saying we told you so. "Advise and consent" means the whole freekin' Senate!!! Not one RINO.


976 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:17 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: ladyinred

I think more like it will spank itself.


977 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:47 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: ladyinred

Scorched earth politics never work.


978 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:57 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: EternalVigilance

Q: What is your opinion on partial-birth abortion?

George W. Bush: The next president should set this goal for America: Every child, born and unborn, protected in law and welcomed into life. That’s what the next president ought to do. The question is which one of us can lead America to appreciate life.

Source: GOP Debate on the Larry King Show Feb 15, 2000



I realize it is not said, but that is the closest I remember the President ever coming to saying he would like to overturn Roe v Wade. Aside from his saying we need to promote a culture of life - and we must value every life, including the unborn, whenever the subject comes up. Well, except when he talked about the Dred Scott decision. ;)


980 posted on 11/13/2004 10:38:06 PM PST by cgk (The Left was beaten by Pres Bush twice & will never have another shot at him... who's dumb?)
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