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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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To: Amelia

I understand...


842 posted on 11/13/2004 9:07:32 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ApesForEvolution
Senator Specter is a pro-abortion, defend the Roe fiat ruling made by an activist social engineering subpreme court, and he is four square in favor of conceiving embryos and clones and growing them to fetal tissue age in order to kill them for their body parts. I'd say Specter is not a Republican in the mold of what we voted for this time. I'd say allowing such an un-Republican Senator to chair a major committee at the very start of a Republican tidal wave is a foolish error. I'd also say that it is not an innocent error ... if Specter is allowed to chair the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Party is at fault knowingly and THEY will be due a sever spanking. Let's hope Constitutional candidates arise following such an error so that we will have a reason to go to the polls in 2006 and 2008.

A case in point would be Senator Frist. He defended embryo stem cell harvesting when the issue arose. He did fall in line and support the President when Bush allowed federal money to be spent ONLY on the stem cell lines that existed at the time of his ruling, with No monies to be spent on cell lines that would be generated after the ruling (like using cadaver tissue rather than killing alive people to establish tissue lines).

I have mixed feelings about Frist because of his defense for open season on alive embryos and his tacit support for 'limited cloning'. Yet I can give him marks for supporting the President's path, a path that Frist didn't anticipate and wasn't made privy to at the time. The same may not be said for Specter. He is too dangerous to allow him ANY POWER in the Committee.

Lest we forget, there are issue of tort reform (Specter is a great friend of trial lawyers), circuit court nominees, and bans on things like embryo exploitation and cloning that will arise during a Specter tenure as Committee Chairman. I don't want a rino like Specter having so much power to bend the Republican agenda to his liberal gutter.

843 posted on 11/13/2004 9:08:05 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: hocndoc

I think actions speak louder than words.

Given the vote on the Schumer Amendment, in particular, along with the ratification of Roe during the 2000 campaign by the "Republican" Senate, I guess I'm not as revved up as once I was over placing my faith in the "personally opposed, But" party.

You do what you gotta do, Hocndoc. I promised cpforlife an article which will explain the fact I understand perfectly even if I'm not going to stop reminding folks which party actually was responsible for making abortion part of the governments population control programming.

You hear a lot of talk about Orwell but no one ever thinks THEY could possibly be the one being wholly deceived by some dumb slogan.

I know the Democrats certainly don't believe they're being played for self-terminating suckers just because it's important that the party of Dysgenics consider it the zenith of empowerment to off one's own.

I guess it just seems hard to believe that -- after nearly two generations of over 40 million dead, abortion's being made the "litmus test" (of the left, anyway) which practically decides elections and appointments in advance and having sat through hours upon hours of the most eloquent defenses of life the Party's got to offer -- we still have consistently pro-abort First Ladies.

Makes no sense, does it? A House Divided from the top down.

Anyway ... please don't take what I say personally. It's just something to think about and keep in mind as you get screwed over again and again and again and again and again and again and again ... despite all the "Parental Consent" and other fairy tales of the mainstream media to the contrary.

As the Texas Legislative Director of NRLC confirmed to me in person ... he was a part of that utterly misleading campaign because at least it "gives the impression" the bill does what it says ... when, in fact, it requires no such thing as parental notification, much less consent.


845 posted on 11/13/2004 9:10:19 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Howlin

This thread is really upsetting me. These people truly think they are the ones responsible for W's return and they must be rewarded. I don't know, I thought it had a tiny bit to do with national security and the WOT, but I guess I was wrong.


846 posted on 11/13/2004 9:11:08 PM PST by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: narses

Do us a favor...GO...leave the party, start your own party. Then you'll be able to prove, once and for all, that the majority of people in this country are anti-abortion. You're so sure of it, aren't ya?


847 posted on 11/13/2004 9:12:18 PM PST by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: MHGinTN

A hearty "Youbetcha" BTTT!

I knew when the 'spin-was-in' about Specter exactly what needed to be done and where the pressure had to come from...


848 posted on 11/13/2004 9:12:20 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: Hildy

http://www.nrlc.org/Post/OSteen110404.html


849 posted on 11/13/2004 9:12:41 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: ApesForEvolution
That is an incredible post coming from a purveyor of child butchery...

I know you can argue without saying stuff like that.

850 posted on 11/13/2004 9:13:39 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin
It is starting to appear that this values issue is being blown way out of proportion.
851 posted on 11/13/2004 9:15:28 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: Howlin

Read your answer and mine. If there was no fetal death involved, no harm, no foul. An EASY to interpret question and answer set. Now as to your ORIGINAL lie about me in 271 that you defend by screeching, show me again where I have attacked the GOP.


852 posted on 11/13/2004 9:16:12 PM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: CWOJackson

Bingo.


853 posted on 11/13/2004 9:16:51 PM PST by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: Hildy
This thread is really upsetting me. These people truly think they are the ones responsible for W's return and they must be rewarded.

Yes, they are.

Leaving aside the abortion discussion, most of these are the extreme right wing of what used to be the religious right of this party; there was a time when they were in complete control; now that they aren't anymore, they have latched on to Bush's win and tried to claim responsibility for his win, thus putting them, in their minds, in a position to control the party.

It's simply not going to happen.

Most of these are what most of us have been fighting for the last five years; the Bush haters and the unappeasables.

For five years, they've been telling us if we just put a real, true conservative on the ticket, they'd sweep the country. I think Alan Keyes settled that once and for all this time.

854 posted on 11/13/2004 9:17:10 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: sitetest

Thank you for your logical posts.

I'm afraid that along with Specter, we have to deal with Chaffee, Snow, and Hutchinson.

So, it's more like 51 to 49. That's still a majority of Senators, unless Hatch joins them, as he's likely to do on cloning cases. I think we can count on the Vice President to break the tie.

Nevertheless, the problem is getting conservative judges to the Senate floor for a vote. The first step is getting them out of the Judiciary Committee. There is no reason to allow Specter to move into a responsible post when he's shown such irresponsibility. (Besides, I'm from Texas and believe Cornyn would be better.)

I'm afraid that like you, I would accept incremental gains, but that doesn't change my views on Specter or Hutchinson.


855 posted on 11/13/2004 9:17:18 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Howlin

Thanks. Can the people on this thread read, or what?


856 posted on 11/13/2004 9:17:23 PM PST by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: Hildy

To be honest, I'm not sure what percentage of Keyes voters were one issue voters. It would be interesting to see a break down on that.


857 posted on 11/13/2004 9:17:35 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Howlin
I call'em as I see'em darling...you know that! :)

Heck, I'm toned down so as to not inadvertently offend anyone! ;0
858 posted on 11/13/2004 9:17:37 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ladyinred

I've actually read some of that in the last few days; values to most people doesn't mean "pro-life."

It means safety and security and kids learning and having a president who says what he means, and all the things we've been talking about for years.

Bush never said he was going to overturn Roe v. Wade or that he would put anybody on the court that would.


859 posted on 11/13/2004 9:18:57 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Hildy; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; goldenstategirl; ...

"These people truly think they are the ones responsible for W's return and they must be rewarded."

No poor lady, we KNOW that the GOP has claimed to be pro-life for decades, we KNOW that WE vote for them because of that claim, we KNOW that the GOP now holds the greatest majority it has had since the odious Roe-v-Wade case and we want action. Either the GOP means PRO-LIFE or it means SPECTER. If SPECTER, then the GOP is toast. The choice is predetermined, the answer in the hands of the elected GOP leadership.


860 posted on 11/13/2004 9:19:15 PM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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