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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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To: EternalVigilance

Re: #274 ---

Crickets?


381 posted on 11/13/2004 10:26:43 AM PST by Amelia
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To: sitetest

Thank you.


382 posted on 11/13/2004 10:26:46 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: ScholarWarrior

Holy smokes.


383 posted on 11/13/2004 10:27:34 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: ken5050

Yup. Roe should be trashed on the strength of procedural reasons.


384 posted on 11/13/2004 10:27:59 AM PST by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: TAdams8591

Mea Culpa! Not noticing your sex, I assumed the masculine. I will endeavor to remember you are female from here on. I hope I represented your point of view correctly?


385 posted on 11/13/2004 10:28:18 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: narses; ScholarWarrior

Yes, to all of this?

***So you would outlaw in vitro fertilization for couples that have a hard time getting pregnant, or advance fertilization for couples undergoing cancer therapy that might want to have children in the future?

***The position you take is much farther than overturning Roe v. Wade.

***It means that an IUD is murder. And the day-after pill is murder. Right?

You are kidding, right?

If I told you that my sister had stem cell replacement, would you tell me she just should have died a lot earlier?


386 posted on 11/13/2004 10:28:59 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Paridel
" it wouldn't be the rich mid 30s successful businesswomen who dies from an illegal abortion. It would be the young scared 15-16 year old girl trying to cover up her actions from her parents, because she really would have to seek the individual performing it in the back of the alley."

Nonsense, you are falling for the debunked propoganda of the pro-aborts

* The overwhelming majority of all abortions, (95%), are done as a means of birth control.

U.S. Abortion Statistics, U.S. State abortion statistics, by Race, by Age, Worldwide abortion statistics, teen abortion statistics

* Only 1% are performed because of rape or incest;

* 1% because of fetal abnormalities;

* 3% due to the mother's health problems.

Source: Central Illinois Right To Life

Reasons Women Choose Abortion (U.S.)

* Wants to postpone childbearing: 25.5%

* Wants no (more) children: 7.9%

* Cannot afford a baby: 21.3%

* Having a child will disrupt education or job: 10.8%

* Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy: 14.1%

* Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy: 12.2%

* Risk to maternal health: 2.8%

* Risk to fetal health: 3.3%

* Other: 2.1%

Source:Bankole, Akinrinola; Singh, Susheela; Haas, Taylor. Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries.

International Family Planning Perspectives, 1998, 24(3):117–127 & 152

As reported by:The Alan Guttmacher Institute Online:

Abortion is very rarely a "sad mistake" but is rather an evil and pre-meditated choice based on self-centeredness. If there were severe consequences for that choice, as there are for the commission of any serious crime, there were be even fewer "sad mistakes". The problem is we present murder as the ideal option for your 15 and 16 year olds and we don't teach them the value of chastity. We are a sex obsessed, depraved culture of death.

387 posted on 11/13/2004 10:29:34 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: Vicomte13
And then, THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION, Specter arises

Errr, no. The day after the election when we accomplished a larger Republican majority in the Senate, leftie reporters dug at Specter looking for remarks they could use to divide conservatives and moderates. The left told conservatives to jump and we began pole-vaulting.

Think about it... the only hope Senate Democrats have is to cause a bloody battle dividing our Senators. It would be very helpful if conservatives would stop carrying water for Hillary, Kerry, Kennedy, etc.

388 posted on 11/13/2004 10:29:46 AM PST by Tamzee (The Odyssey... "By their own follies they perished, the fools.")
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To: Howlin

"Holy smokes."

The Catholic position is unknown to you? And hey, about that retraction, have you not found the strength of character to apologize yet?


389 posted on 11/13/2004 10:29:47 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: narses
"At conception? Should the day-after pill be illegal?"

Yes. Yes. Refer to the GOP Platform or, if you are Catholic, the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church.

The said thing is that at this moment in time this is rather a moot issue that we should probably not fight about but rather go after the 2nd trimester abortions. Once those are taken care of or at least that process is started we can argue about morning after pills.

Morning after pills is a really sticky issue, because they are used heavily to treat rape victims, it's the first thing they hand you after the examination. The argument that a rape victim doesn't have the right to prevent the zygote from attaching itself to the uterine wall is going to be hard one to win. Which means that it will be possible for pretty much anyone to obtain the pill.

In fact, you won't catch me telling that to a rape victim. For the most part using rape victims in relation to the need for abortions is a straw man argument, but this is the one case where it is probably not.

-paridel
390 posted on 11/13/2004 10:30:14 AM PST by Paridel
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To: MHGinTN

Post #200.


391 posted on 11/13/2004 10:30:16 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Howlin

How many babies were killed so that your sister could have a few more years of life?

Now, about your lies, any retraction yet?


392 posted on 11/13/2004 10:31:00 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Howlin

Isn't open debate great? You can expose the issue to the light of day and not kill anyone in the process.


393 posted on 11/13/2004 10:32:51 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: Paridel

If the "morning after pill" ought to be legal, then all abortion ought to be. Murder is murder. Moreover, it is an often DEADLY to the rape victim treatment, nor is it restricted now to just rape victims.


394 posted on 11/13/2004 10:33:31 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Drammach

Well, at least you didn't blame it on Bush!


395 posted on 11/13/2004 10:33:44 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: ScholarWarrior

Dear ScholarWarrior,

As a "rabid pro-lifer," I assure you that the current intermediate goal is nothing more than the overturning of Roe.

After that, we "rabid pro-lifers" will change directions, and will mobilize to develop and pass the most restrictive abortion legislation that we can in each of the several states. If we can do it at the federal level, we will.

If we have to settle for intermediate results of banning some abortions and not others, we will so settle. And some of us will be upset by the compromises, and others will keep fighting to extend the law to protect even more unborn human beings. We will never give up until every human being is protected in law and welcomed into life.

But that's called politics. That's how it works. Right now, all we are fighting for is for the legal question to be returned to the realm of politics, rather than the realm of unappointed fat-assed morons who think themselves judges.

While we are not busy promoting legislation to protect unborn persons in law, we will continue to support the thousands of crisis pregnancy centers and pregnancy aid centers that, at very great cost, provide real, on-the-ground alternatives for women in crisis pregnancies. We will continue to hold our spaghetti dinners (our Knights of Columbus Ladies Auxiliary raised a thousand dollars for our local Gabriel Project last week with a spaghetti dinners), we will continue to collect change and pass out lifesavers, we will continue our vehicle donation programs, we will continue to do all that we can, at considerable financial cost, to give real assistance to women so that they have real alternatives to procuring the death of their babies.

We are tireless and unrelenting. We will not give up. We will not look the other way. We will not rest.

Because a society cannot call itself just if it does not protect in law the basic human rights of all human beings.


sitetest


396 posted on 11/13/2004 10:36:20 AM PST by sitetest (It is better to kill the unborn because they can't raise such a fuss.)
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To: narses

I'm not a Catholic and I think those positions are reprehensible.

Don't bother talking about MY character; you should be looking at your own.


397 posted on 11/13/2004 10:36:56 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

You say "(I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)", what part does the GOP Platform play in that "mandate"?


398 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:11 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: kjvail

Great statistics.


399 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:45 AM PST by sitetest (It is better to kill the unborn because they can't raise such a fuss.)
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To: ScholarWarrior
The position you take is much farther than overturning Roe v. Wade.

It means that an IUD is murder. And the day-after pill is murder. Right?

Yes, absolutely.. now you are getting it. Abortion is a symptom of the culture of death that includes fetal stem cell research (killing babies for medical experimentation, paging Dr. Menegele), homosexual marriage (unions whose purpose is hedonistic not procreative), birth control (pregnency is a disease that needs to be treated and an evil to be avoided) You cannot attack abortion in a vacumn, its a useless as taking aspirin for cancer. The only answer is a repudiation of the whole cultural nihilism that underlies abortion, euthanasia and birth control and an unconditional reverence for life. : Evangelium vitae

400 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:59 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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