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" it wouldn't be the rich mid 30s successful businesswomen who dies from an illegal abortion. It would be the young scared 15-16 year old girl trying to cover up her actions from her parents, because she really would have to seek the individual performing it in the back of the alley."

Nonsense, you are falling for the debunked propoganda of the pro-aborts

* The overwhelming majority of all abortions, (95%), are done as a means of birth control.

U.S. Abortion Statistics, U.S. State abortion statistics, by Race, by Age, Worldwide abortion statistics, teen abortion statistics

* Only 1% are performed because of rape or incest;

* 1% because of fetal abnormalities;

* 3% due to the mother's health problems.

Source: Central Illinois Right To Life

Reasons Women Choose Abortion (U.S.)

* Wants to postpone childbearing: 25.5%

* Wants no (more) children: 7.9%

* Cannot afford a baby: 21.3%

* Having a child will disrupt education or job: 10.8%

* Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy: 14.1%

* Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy: 12.2%

* Risk to maternal health: 2.8%

* Risk to fetal health: 3.3%

* Other: 2.1%

Source:Bankole, Akinrinola; Singh, Susheela; Haas, Taylor. Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries.

International Family Planning Perspectives, 1998, 24(3):117–127 & 152

As reported by:The Alan Guttmacher Institute Online:

Abortion is very rarely a "sad mistake" but is rather an evil and pre-meditated choice based on self-centeredness. If there were severe consequences for that choice, as there are for the commission of any serious crime, there were be even fewer "sad mistakes". The problem is we present murder as the ideal option for your 15 and 16 year olds and we don't teach them the value of chastity. We are a sex obsessed, depraved culture of death.

Nonsense, you are falling for the debunked propoganda of the pro-aborts....
The problem is we present murder as the ideal option for your 15 and 16 year olds and we don't teach them the value of chastity. We are a sex obsessed, depraved culture of death.

My main point was that wishing death upon the mother is sick and twisted. A depraved manor of thinking if you will... I stick with that.

Anyway look, you seem to at least partially agreed with my main point: that if a women choses abortion is it partially due to the pro-lifers not givening a strong enough case for life. You looked at it from the other side, that the pro-choice education is too strong, but it's really the same thing. We are putting forth an alternative viewpoint, and we need to win in the arena of public opinion, and convince women with this choice that life is the way to choice.

And I maintain that we will not be able to do so if we come across as heartless bastards.

I'm not giving into pro-abortion propaganda or bad statistics. I understand that there are plenty of people who view it as a contraceptive, who have multiple abortions, etc. But there are those cases where it is a young scared women, and I know that from personal experience.

-paridel