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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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To: Drammach

Maybe not.........LOL.


361 posted on 11/13/2004 10:19:21 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Drammach; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; goldenstategirl; ..
Gladly:
Self-Defence ? Enforcement of the Law? War?
Is there a difference between killing and murder?
Do you believe in capital punishment?

Yes, emphatically yes to all of the above.

Whose life is more important?
Mother ? Child ?
Who makes the choice? You? Me?

Both lives are equally important. Neither should be sacrificed to save the other, except on a voluntary basis (for example, the Saint who chose to deny herself chemotherapy rather than have it kill her then unborn child). The "choice" is to kill or not. Since the unborn child cannot make an informed choice of self-sacrafice, every effort ought to be made to save BOTH lives. Your turn, if you please.

362 posted on 11/13/2004 10:19:32 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Qwinn
I'm just trying to inform you that attempting to claim that the pro-life vote "isn't needed" isn't accurate, either. There's constituencies we could afford to thoroughly piss off, but the pro-lifers aren't one of them.

You know, I'm not sure what constituencies we really can offord to throw away. (err, except for maybe the log cabin republicans.).

What I don't like is groups suddenly drawing a line in the sand. Some in the pro-life crowd seem to be very fond of demanding lip service often and from everyone.

For instance I know people that wouldn't support Arnold for Governor of California cause he wouldn't come out Strong pro-life. Maybe I'm mistaken (it's rare but it happens) but as Governor is he really going to be able to further a strong pro-choice agenda? no. So basically they were for throwing California to the dogs because he wouldn't pay them lip-service.

The president is obviously strongly pro-life. The problem is that if he has to constantly come out every week and say that he is pro-life to make pro-lifers happy then he will lose support on other fronts.

I'm strongly pro-life, but it isn't my main sole issue. I don't really have a sole issue. I think that we need to push back the liberal front everywhere we can. Even I would get irritated at the president suddenly his entire focus was on abortion. No, that doesn't mean we can give an inch on the abortion side, but there are lots of other places we can't afford that inch either.

What I'm getting at is that some pro-lifers won't be happy until the republican party does the political equivalent of saying "we will give inches anywhere and everywhere we can if it means reduce abortion on demand in this country". The sad thing is this is probably a non-issue, because we can and should advance the conservative front on all sides. But even so some will try to drag the party over the coals on it.

To advance our policy we have to stand together. We have to fight smart against the liberals. Fortunately we have been, and as they can't even admit the reasons to themselves why they lost, they don't stand a chance. But now we are finally a majority party, a large majority, for the first time really since FDR, and we need to quickly learn how to handle that position.

-paridel
363 posted on 11/13/2004 10:19:42 AM PST by Paridel
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To: ScholarWarrior

Also --- the generations growing up now are abortion survivors --- they are born to mothers who were obviously willing to suffer the inconvenience and cost of giving birth and raising children. The abortion side has been killing their children --- so you can expect some big shifts to the pro-life & Conservative side.


364 posted on 11/13/2004 10:20:03 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Howlin

See post 271 and my reply.


365 posted on 11/13/2004 10:20:46 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: narses
So you would outlaw in vitro fertilization for couples that have a hard time getting pregnant, or advance fertilization for couples undergoing cancer therapy that might want to have children in the future?

The position you take is much farther than overturning Roe v. Wade.

It means that an IUD is murder. And the day-after pill is murder. Right?
366 posted on 11/13/2004 10:20:56 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: kjvail
Of course no one advocates that, but of course, you are very wise...RINOS lack a scintilla of wisdom when it really counts.
367 posted on 11/13/2004 10:21:42 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: EternalVigilance
Why do you feel the need to downplay and marginalize the role of pro-lifers and evangelicals? 'Tis a strange thing...

I don't feel the "need" at all; certainly not as much as you all feel the need 1) to seperate yourselves from the rest of the GOP or 2) to repeatedly tell us that if we don't do exactly what you're saying, you're leaving.

That being said, I am a stickler for the facts; and these are the facts.

368 posted on 11/13/2004 10:21:48 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

my daughter is trying that with her breath. She is two and 1/2.


369 posted on 11/13/2004 10:22:17 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: ScholarWarrior

Yes to all. BTW, mine is the SAME position as that of all orthodox Catholics.


370 posted on 11/13/2004 10:22:29 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Vicomte13
Approve the pro-life judges, and there will be no problem.
Vicomte13

Not if those new judges honored their oaths to support the Constitution.
"Due process" is a well established Constitutional right. It even applies to pregnant women, believe it or not.

371 posted on 11/13/2004 10:22:33 AM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: buddyholly; Howlin
So what you'r essentially saying is that anyone with a differing viewpoint on abortion than you is your enemy. That's simply not true. Some of us just have other issues that we take into consideration on election day. For example, oh, I don't know...maybe the fact that 3000 people died AT THE SAME TIME a while back and there are many more to follow if we don't act now! No one is marginalizing you. You are the ones issueing threats and ultimatums.

You are missing the point. We believe that abortion is a more serious evil than 911. Slaughtering millions of innocent babies is a greater evil than Bin-Laden and his band of sickos.

Imagine having video tape on the Internet of Bin-Laden's boys beheading 3,000 children at an American Preschool. How much outrage would that produce in your soul. This is how we view abortion.

The outrage cannot be dampened by other issues! You all in our minds are acting exactly like John Kerry was toward terrorism. We need you to understand this.

372 posted on 11/13/2004 10:22:34 AM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
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To: Spiff

Hi Spiff. I thought you left in 1998 to restore the constitution over at yahoo.

We already have clean sterile murder rooms--in prisons. No reason a guy should have to be electrocuted or gassed inhumanely when we have the technology to do it better.

I am beginning to believe you suffer from a perpetual case of Republican Bickeritis.

Get well soon.


373 posted on 11/13/2004 10:23:49 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: tpaine; Vicomte13

Abortion is due process? Read your own tag-line.


374 posted on 11/13/2004 10:24:03 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: narses

Dear narses,

You may wish to point out that the law only permits positive action to end another's life when the other is no longer in a position of innocence.

We recoil in horror at the thought of executing an innocent person. We seek to avoid, at high cost, even accidentally killing civilians in war. We send cases of alleged self-defense to grand juries to assure that the homicide was justified by self-defense.

We do not ever, ever accept that it is lawful to take positive action to directly, intentionally kill an innocent human being.

Except with abortion.


sitetest


375 posted on 11/13/2004 10:24:05 AM PST by sitetest (It is better to kill the unborn because they can't raise such a fuss.)
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To: Drammach

Oh, wait; I think I jumped YOU by just skimming your post and making an assumption!

I owe YOU the apology!

And for the record, I sucked the lemon and it was SOUR.


376 posted on 11/13/2004 10:24:23 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin
LOL...

Well, then, It's ALL YOUR FAULT !!

( If DU can do it, so can I, ! )

377 posted on 11/13/2004 10:24:30 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach; sitetest

Dear narses,

You may wish to point out that the law only permits positive action to end another's life when the other is no longer in a position of innocence.

We recoil in horror at the thought of executing an innocent person. We seek to avoid, at high cost, even accidentally killing civilians in war. We send cases of alleged self-defense to grand juries to assure that the homicide was justified by self-defense.

We do not ever, ever accept that it is lawful to take positive action to directly, intentionally kill an innocent human being.

Except with abortion.


sitetest


378 posted on 11/13/2004 10:26:11 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: FITZ
I would agree with your comment on who is getting aborted. The map that shows the states aborted is wrong. It should show the small Northeast Deomcrat states instead of the large area small population conservative ones.

If pro-life can win (over 30 years) without losing the government, it's a free country.

I just want a workable solution that doesn't lose elections. IMHO the rabid pro-lifers are not just about overturning Roe v. Wade, it's a harder line that will in fact lose elections once it is clearly uncovered, which I assure you the media will do.
379 posted on 11/13/2004 10:26:36 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: narses

Narses, I am a she.


380 posted on 11/13/2004 10:26:36 AM PST by TAdams8591 (BORK SPECTER!!!)
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