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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elections; gop; prolife
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To: narses
How about this, instead..

Why don't you tell me when the ending of a life is justified..

Self-Defence ? Enforcement of the Law? War?
Is there a difference between killing and murder?
Do you believe in capital punishment?
Whose life is more important?
Mother ? Child ?
Who makes the choice? You? Me?

341 posted on 11/13/2004 10:10:56 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: unsycophant
While a majority of Americans don't condone abortions, they prefer giving women the option of having one in a clean safe environment versus gouging out the fetus with a wire hanger in some back alley. THAT is what you seem to advocate. No thanks.

Maybe we should have clean, sterile murder rooms for other purposes too. No reason that a guy should have to strangle a whore in some back alley when he could pay to use a nice looking, well-kept murder room.

342 posted on 11/13/2004 10:11:07 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Tamsey
They almost put Gore in the White House

And are damn proud of it.

But see what has happened: while they sat home and pouted, other groups have seen the light and stepped up to fill the void.

These are the people who sat home because Bush got a DUI when he was in college, FGS.

343 posted on 11/13/2004 10:11:09 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

Sorry, but the facts do NOT bear that out; you may say it as much as you want to, but Evangelicals did not vote in any larger numbers than they did in 2000.

>>>

You're right. It's when they stay home or vote 3rd Party that the GOP hasn't a prayer...I love watching the GOP grassroots in action without Conservatives...it's called bobdole and Bush 1.


344 posted on 11/13/2004 10:11:32 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: Vicomte13
Reagan understood that pressing the abortion issue loses elections. The reality is that there are 30 million women in this country that will vote against an abortion ban. There aren't enough rabid pro-lifers voting one issue to counter that.

Where exactly is the legal line for the pro-lifers? At conception? Should the day-after pill be illegal? Where? 5 days? 10 days? Before conception?
345 posted on 11/13/2004 10:11:48 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: Amelia

No, I wasn't.


346 posted on 11/13/2004 10:12:06 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Times, they have changed.


347 posted on 11/13/2004 10:12:30 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

If the GOP breaks it's word on Life, it will lose the Catholic vote it has tried so hard to earn. The demographic slice most fecund is the hispanic. They are mainly people of faith and family, evangelical and Catholic. They have, until recently, solid democrat voters as they perceived the GOP as anti-immigrant and anti-Catholic. Real progress has been made by the GOP because of the Platform and the policies. Take heed though, principle matters. Betray Life at your own peril Howlin.

Now about your false claim about me, any retraction yet?


348 posted on 11/13/2004 10:13:29 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: MHGinTN

Yes.


349 posted on 11/13/2004 10:13:34 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Pro-Life Pro-Family Value Voting Christians

I am a pro=life, pro-family values voting Christian and I am NOT threatening to leave the GOP if they don't do exactly what I demand.

You simply don't speak for all of us.

350 posted on 11/13/2004 10:13:40 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

What will you do when you have a pure Socialist RINO Party and the Communists RATs to run against? You're going to get real close you know...


351 posted on 11/13/2004 10:13:53 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: Howlin
Maybe we should form an "ilk clique?"

Hey, wait a minute, I want in on that!! (is there a secret hand shake, or signal ring,, something? anything??)

352 posted on 11/13/2004 10:14:28 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: ScholarWarrior

"At conception? Should the day-after pill be illegal?"

Yes. Yes. Refer to the GOP Platform or, if you are Catholic, the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church.


353 posted on 11/13/2004 10:14:28 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Howlin

Nothing's changed. RINOS are still a bigger threat, ultimately, to America, than the RATS...a Stupid GOP doesn't maintain anything for that long...


354 posted on 11/13/2004 10:15:44 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ScholarWarrior
The reality is that there are 30 million women in this country that will vote against an abortion ban.

Do you have any evidence of that? Women are actually more pro-life than are men. The people have not been allowed to vote on this issue.

355 posted on 11/13/2004 10:15:57 AM PST by FITZ
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To: narses

What is my false claim about you?


356 posted on 11/13/2004 10:17:02 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Looking at the states where the referendums were prominent and the turnout and the resulting Bush numbers as compqared to 2000 numbers (that 60 million plus is something pundits are scrambling to explain to the democrap party) ... well, suffice it to say I think Kerry would have been elected had the issue not been prominent on selected ballots because I believe it drove turnout for Republicans.


357 posted on 11/13/2004 10:17:45 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: going hot

Lots of secret stuff! Just no holding our votes hostage until we get our demands.


358 posted on 11/13/2004 10:17:57 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Amelia; Howlin
I thought she was agreeing with your post to Narses, but I could've been wrong.

You're right, I might have been wrong..
However, I took it as an attack..

I have someone that has taken my pro-life stance, (granted, it's not hardcore) and twisted it to imply that I am anti-catholic, pro-abortion, and EVIL...
And I resent it..

So, I am admittedly defensive, and not in a good mood..
If I took offense wrongly, I apologize..

Thanks, Amelia for pointing it out..
Upon going back and reading the post more carefully, I over-reacted..

Howlin, I owe you an apology..

359 posted on 11/13/2004 10:18:45 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: buddyholly
The fact is that there is no "or else."

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Committed people don't give up easily, I think if you remove the hope of a peaceful political solution people will turn to other options. Those of us that view abortion as an ongoing holocaust will not simply go quietly into that good night..

We are approaching that critical mass, if the GOP doesn't start walking the walk some people will give up on a political solution.

360 posted on 11/13/2004 10:19:00 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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