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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

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To: EternalVigilance

Re: #274 ---

Crickets?


381 posted on 11/13/2004 10:26:43 AM PST by Amelia
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To: sitetest

Thank you.


382 posted on 11/13/2004 10:26:46 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: ScholarWarrior

Holy smokes.


383 posted on 11/13/2004 10:27:34 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: ken5050

Yup. Roe should be trashed on the strength of procedural reasons.


384 posted on 11/13/2004 10:27:59 AM PST by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: TAdams8591

Mea Culpa! Not noticing your sex, I assumed the masculine. I will endeavor to remember you are female from here on. I hope I represented your point of view correctly?


385 posted on 11/13/2004 10:28:18 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: narses; ScholarWarrior

Yes, to all of this?

***So you would outlaw in vitro fertilization for couples that have a hard time getting pregnant, or advance fertilization for couples undergoing cancer therapy that might want to have children in the future?

***The position you take is much farther than overturning Roe v. Wade.

***It means that an IUD is murder. And the day-after pill is murder. Right?

You are kidding, right?

If I told you that my sister had stem cell replacement, would you tell me she just should have died a lot earlier?


386 posted on 11/13/2004 10:28:59 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Paridel
" it wouldn't be the rich mid 30s successful businesswomen who dies from an illegal abortion. It would be the young scared 15-16 year old girl trying to cover up her actions from her parents, because she really would have to seek the individual performing it in the back of the alley."

Nonsense, you are falling for the debunked propoganda of the pro-aborts

* The overwhelming majority of all abortions, (95%), are done as a means of birth control.

U.S. Abortion Statistics, U.S. State abortion statistics, by Race, by Age, Worldwide abortion statistics, teen abortion statistics

* Only 1% are performed because of rape or incest;

* 1% because of fetal abnormalities;

* 3% due to the mother's health problems.

Source: Central Illinois Right To Life

Reasons Women Choose Abortion (U.S.)

* Wants to postpone childbearing: 25.5%

* Wants no (more) children: 7.9%

* Cannot afford a baby: 21.3%

* Having a child will disrupt education or job: 10.8%

* Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy: 14.1%

* Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy: 12.2%

* Risk to maternal health: 2.8%

* Risk to fetal health: 3.3%

* Other: 2.1%

Source:Bankole, Akinrinola; Singh, Susheela; Haas, Taylor. Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries.

International Family Planning Perspectives, 1998, 24(3):117–127 & 152

As reported by:The Alan Guttmacher Institute Online:

Abortion is very rarely a "sad mistake" but is rather an evil and pre-meditated choice based on self-centeredness. If there were severe consequences for that choice, as there are for the commission of any serious crime, there were be even fewer "sad mistakes". The problem is we present murder as the ideal option for your 15 and 16 year olds and we don't teach them the value of chastity. We are a sex obsessed, depraved culture of death.

387 posted on 11/13/2004 10:29:34 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: Vicomte13
And then, THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION, Specter arises

Errr, no. The day after the election when we accomplished a larger Republican majority in the Senate, leftie reporters dug at Specter looking for remarks they could use to divide conservatives and moderates. The left told conservatives to jump and we began pole-vaulting.

Think about it... the only hope Senate Democrats have is to cause a bloody battle dividing our Senators. It would be very helpful if conservatives would stop carrying water for Hillary, Kerry, Kennedy, etc.

388 posted on 11/13/2004 10:29:46 AM PST by Tamzee (The Odyssey... "By their own follies they perished, the fools.")
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To: Howlin

"Holy smokes."

The Catholic position is unknown to you? And hey, about that retraction, have you not found the strength of character to apologize yet?


389 posted on 11/13/2004 10:29:47 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: narses
"At conception? Should the day-after pill be illegal?"

Yes. Yes. Refer to the GOP Platform or, if you are Catholic, the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church.

The said thing is that at this moment in time this is rather a moot issue that we should probably not fight about but rather go after the 2nd trimester abortions. Once those are taken care of or at least that process is started we can argue about morning after pills.

Morning after pills is a really sticky issue, because they are used heavily to treat rape victims, it's the first thing they hand you after the examination. The argument that a rape victim doesn't have the right to prevent the zygote from attaching itself to the uterine wall is going to be hard one to win. Which means that it will be possible for pretty much anyone to obtain the pill.

In fact, you won't catch me telling that to a rape victim. For the most part using rape victims in relation to the need for abortions is a straw man argument, but this is the one case where it is probably not.

-paridel
390 posted on 11/13/2004 10:30:14 AM PST by Paridel
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To: MHGinTN

Post #200.


391 posted on 11/13/2004 10:30:16 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Howlin

How many babies were killed so that your sister could have a few more years of life?

Now, about your lies, any retraction yet?


392 posted on 11/13/2004 10:31:00 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Howlin

Isn't open debate great? You can expose the issue to the light of day and not kill anyone in the process.


393 posted on 11/13/2004 10:32:51 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: Paridel

If the "morning after pill" ought to be legal, then all abortion ought to be. Murder is murder. Moreover, it is an often DEADLY to the rape victim treatment, nor is it restricted now to just rape victims.


394 posted on 11/13/2004 10:33:31 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: Drammach

Well, at least you didn't blame it on Bush!


395 posted on 11/13/2004 10:33:44 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: ScholarWarrior

Dear ScholarWarrior,

As a "rabid pro-lifer," I assure you that the current intermediate goal is nothing more than the overturning of Roe.

After that, we "rabid pro-lifers" will change directions, and will mobilize to develop and pass the most restrictive abortion legislation that we can in each of the several states. If we can do it at the federal level, we will.

If we have to settle for intermediate results of banning some abortions and not others, we will so settle. And some of us will be upset by the compromises, and others will keep fighting to extend the law to protect even more unborn human beings. We will never give up until every human being is protected in law and welcomed into life.

But that's called politics. That's how it works. Right now, all we are fighting for is for the legal question to be returned to the realm of politics, rather than the realm of unappointed fat-assed morons who think themselves judges.

While we are not busy promoting legislation to protect unborn persons in law, we will continue to support the thousands of crisis pregnancy centers and pregnancy aid centers that, at very great cost, provide real, on-the-ground alternatives for women in crisis pregnancies. We will continue to hold our spaghetti dinners (our Knights of Columbus Ladies Auxiliary raised a thousand dollars for our local Gabriel Project last week with a spaghetti dinners), we will continue to collect change and pass out lifesavers, we will continue our vehicle donation programs, we will continue to do all that we can, at considerable financial cost, to give real assistance to women so that they have real alternatives to procuring the death of their babies.

We are tireless and unrelenting. We will not give up. We will not look the other way. We will not rest.

Because a society cannot call itself just if it does not protect in law the basic human rights of all human beings.


sitetest


396 posted on 11/13/2004 10:36:20 AM PST by sitetest (It is better to kill the unborn because they can't raise such a fuss.)
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To: narses

I'm not a Catholic and I think those positions are reprehensible.

Don't bother talking about MY character; you should be looking at your own.


397 posted on 11/13/2004 10:36:56 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

You say "(I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)", what part does the GOP Platform play in that "mandate"?


398 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:11 AM PST by narses (The fight to protect the unborn is THE civil rights battle of the 21st century. + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: kjvail

Great statistics.


399 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:45 AM PST by sitetest (It is better to kill the unborn because they can't raise such a fuss.)
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To: ScholarWarrior
The position you take is much farther than overturning Roe v. Wade.

It means that an IUD is murder. And the day-after pill is murder. Right?

Yes, absolutely.. now you are getting it. Abortion is a symptom of the culture of death that includes fetal stem cell research (killing babies for medical experimentation, paging Dr. Menegele), homosexual marriage (unions whose purpose is hedonistic not procreative), birth control (pregnency is a disease that needs to be treated and an evil to be avoided) You cannot attack abortion in a vacumn, its a useless as taking aspirin for cancer. The only answer is a repudiation of the whole cultural nihilism that underlies abortion, euthanasia and birth control and an unconditional reverence for life. : Evangelium vitae

400 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:59 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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