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Gonzales Wrong for Attorney General; Why Won't Bush pick a Pro-Life Nominee? American Life League.
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Posted on 11/12/2004 9:07:10 AM PST by cpforlife.org

To: National Desk

Contact: Amber Matchen of the American Life League, 540-903-9572 or amatchen@all.org

WASHINGTON, Nov. 11 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Judie Brown, president of American Life League, issued the following statement in response to news that White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales is being considered as the replacement for U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft:

"President Bush appears to be doing all that he can to downright ignore pro-life principles. There can be no other explanation for his recommendation of Alberto Gonzales as attorney general. Gonzales has a record, and that record is crystal clear.

"As a Texas Supreme Court justice, Gonzales' rulings implied he does not view abortion as a heinous crime. Choosing not to rule against abortion, in any situation, is the epitome of denying justice for an entire segment of the American population -- preborn babies in the womb.

"When asked if his own personal feelings about abortion would play a role in his decisions, Gonzales told the Los Angeles Times in 2001 that his 'own personal feelings about abortion don't matter... The question is, what is the law, what is the precedent, what is binding in rendering your decision. Sometimes, interpreting a statute, you may have to uphold a statute that you may find personally offensive. But as a judge, that's your job.' Gonzales' position is clear: the personhood of the preborn human being is secondary to technical points of law, and that is a deadly perspective for anyone to take.

"President Bush claims he wants to assist in bringing about a culture of life. Such a culture begins with total protection for every innocent human being from the moment that person's life begins. Within the short period of one week, the president has been silent on pro-abortion Sen. Arlen Specter's desire to chair the senate judiciary committee, and has spoken out in favor of a judge with a pro-abortion track record to lead the Justice Department.

"Why is President Bush betraying the babies? Justice begins with protecting the most vulnerable in our midst. Please, Mr. President -- just say no to the unjust views of Alberto Gonzales."

http://www.usnewswire.com/

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: all; bush43; doj; gonzales; prolife; term2
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To: Poohbah
I have never seen any evidence that Gonzalez is personally pro-abort or that as a lawyer he approves of Roe. President Bush, who has worked closely with him for years, might have some inkling, though.
281 posted on 11/12/2004 2:00:38 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: tame
This sentence seems ambiguous at best, and incoherent at least. What do you mean by the "it"?

There is a specific event that is an absolute prerequisite to being a "person" under common law.

If you think for a little bit, maybe you can use that knowledge you claim to have gotten from reading Copi and deduce what the event in question is.

282 posted on 11/12/2004 2:01:03 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: ex-snook

Politicians regularly say many many things to many different people to get elected.

This is called politics.

If I were involved in the anti-abortion movement I would not hold my breath.


283 posted on 11/12/2004 2:01:47 PM PST by Mrs Ian Thorpe
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To: colorado tanker
I have never seen any evidence that Gonzalez is personally pro-abort or that as a lawyer he approves of Roe. President Bush, who has worked closely with him for years, might have some inkling, though.

It's the professional malcontent wing of the pro-life movement talking. They're upset that Bush hasn't signed an executive order that requires all abortionists and women who've had abortions to be stoned to death in 24 hours.

284 posted on 11/12/2004 2:02:08 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

That's strictly YOUR opinion of what equal protection means.

You either believe in Federal courts overturning State's powers or not.

If believe that the Federal Court can tell a State School that it can't set quotas for admissions, then you also believe in a Federal Court telling a State that it can't make abortions illegals.

Can't stand on both sides of the fence.


285 posted on 11/12/2004 2:04:16 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
"The only persons subject to the jurisdiction of the US and given the protection of the constitution are citizens."

Wrong.

You can't make a tourist a slave.

286 posted on 11/12/2004 2:05:51 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Additionally, on the jurisdiction side, tourists are not free to commit criminal acts.


287 posted on 11/12/2004 2:06:44 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
"Foreigners in the United States are subjected to Constitutional protections such as due process, the First Amendment and the Fourth Amendment."

Exactly.

288 posted on 11/12/2004 2:07:13 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist; Poohbah
That is patently untrue. Foreigners in the United States are subjected to Constitutional protections such as due process, the First Amendment and the Fourth Amendment.

You are confusing more judge made law with the laws of the US and several States and the Constitution.

Again, see the Alien Act and Alien Enemies Act, passed in 1798 under the Constitution. Also try out the Alien Registration Act of 1940. Resident Aliens may be rounded up by the government and interned or deported at any time under this act. They don't have the rights of citizens. That is in fact the whole point of gaining citizenship.

The Alien Enemies Act is still in force. See 50 USC 3

Read the 14th Amendment. The Equal Protection Clause specifically says it applies to "persons," not citizens.

It says: "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"

And who is within its jurisdiction? "All persons born or naturalized in the United States".

289 posted on 11/12/2004 2:09:44 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
tame: btw, do you believe that any statutory law that deprives citizens of their constitution, civil rights should be overturned?

Who died and made you Pope and Chief Justice?

that doesn't answer the question. What's the answer to the question?

Why do you assume that the people through their legislature are more apt to write insufferable and unconstitutional laws than activist judges who have nothing better to do than overturn the laws passed by the people's representatives?

i don't. That has nothing to do with what i wrote.

And how would you know you have the right bead on what is and is not constitutional?

i read it. How would YOU know i don't?

You seem to be confusing a refusal to criminalize a moral wrong (abortion) with a positive action to destrain a person from acting or enjoying a thing (penal/capital punishment and seizures).

Straw man. The 5th and 14th amendments are POSITIVE rights. Those judges who would rule to deprive those rights from innocent citizens are wrong. simply enough to me.

Under the consitution, the state can refuse to punish an immoral act, such as prostitution.

Under the constitution NO state can deprive an innocent person of LIFE, liberty or property without due process of law.

The problem with Roe vs. Wade is that it forcibly decriminalized a morally abhorent action in all cases that the people had outlawed.

i agree.

Allowing self-defense is not really different in consequence or law than allowing abortion. The effect is the termination of a human life withot a trial or action of the law by an extra-governmental agent.

False analogy. The intruder is not innocent. The unborn baby is.

Be careful of having your argument "prove too much". You are actually making the case (whether you realize it or not) that the 5th and 14th amendments are null and void.

what makes the difference is that most people view self-defense as a normal legal right, while most people view abortion as a sin.

Abortion is derpiving an innocent person of life without the due process of law, with no exceptions as understood by the common law and the framers (self defense, etc. And, no, the framers did not write said amendments without the original understanding of exceptions).

Lets not confuse the powers of the state with the needs of the law.

That's exactly what i would say to you. The state is expressely forbidden to deprive the unborn of life. Therefore Gonzalez was wrong.

290 posted on 11/12/2004 2:10:46 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; Poohbah
You can't make a tourist a slave.

Um, yes you can.

"Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety." (50 USC 3.21

291 posted on 11/12/2004 2:12:02 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

You're just another person who mistakenly believes that the Constitution grants rights.

The Constitution grants no rights, it restricts the government from violating the God-given rights enjoyed by all human beings.

Governments can either violate rights, or protect them.


292 posted on 11/12/2004 2:14:55 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: tame
False analogy. The intruder is not innocent. The unborn baby is.

Don't you remember the case from Louisiana some years back where some bumbling drunk went up to the wrong house in the middle of the night and had his head blown off for knocking on the door?

Is knocking on a door drunk justification for execution?

293 posted on 11/12/2004 2:15:10 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Point to where it says that we can make slaves out of tourists.


294 posted on 11/12/2004 2:16:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: tame
That's exactly what i would say to you. The state is expressely forbidden to deprive the unborn of life. Therefore Gonzalez was wrong.

Neither Texas nor any other state is in the abortion business. The person doing the depriving was the "mother". The Constitution is not concerned with outlawing murder, other than by the government.

295 posted on 11/12/2004 2:16:45 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You're just another person who mistakenly believes that the Constitution grants rights.

No, not at all. The Constitution grants citizens various immunities and privileges not enjoyed by those who are not citizens.

Example, foreigners do not have rights of free speech to participate in the American political process through monetary donations. That right is conferred upon attainment of citizenship.

296 posted on 11/12/2004 2:19:27 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; Askel5; attagirl; axel f; ...
Nobody panic. It's the Supreme Court that counts.

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

297 posted on 11/12/2004 2:19:56 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Hey Kerry: Confucius say "KA-STANG!! YOU BUSTED!")
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To: cpforlife.org

I believe that this is a better position for Gonzales than a judgeship! Really, there are not a lot of abortion cases that are prosecuted by the Federal Government...so, I don't think you need to worry. We need to worry about his policy on immigration and crime. He helped write the Patriot act, which IMO is very needed right now.


298 posted on 11/12/2004 2:20:29 PM PST by tuckrdout (You lose your right to complain about taxes, if you voted for any democrat!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

"natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government .... who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies ..."

That would include tourists.


299 posted on 11/12/2004 2:20:32 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: cpforlife.org; Poohbah

On the Texas Supreme Court, Gonzales ran afoul of anti-abortion activists in a case involving parental notification for minors seeking abortions. He agreed with the court majority that a 17-year-old girl qualified for an exemption from the requirement.

In his opinion, Gonzales wrote that the decision was "personally troubling to me as a parent," but that he had "an obligation as a judge to impartially apply the laws of this state without imposing my moral view." -- Source


300 posted on 11/12/2004 2:21:13 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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