Posted on 11/11/2004 5:21:30 PM PST by sassbox
A 59-year-old great-grandmother is pregnant with twins and will deliver next month, three decades after she had her tubes tied. "They came untied," Frances Harris (search) said Thursday.
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So you are defending a 57 year old who planned to have twins and has no husband, but you are condemning a 59 year old woman who became pregnant accidently? That makes no sense.
You're right. A very bizarre case. Horrific? Having twins is horrific? I admire this great grandmother tremendously. She sure didn't expect to get pregnant and went against the others suggestions of aborting God's children. Should every woman that has had her tubes tied refrain from sex until she's no longer fertile, just in case? (Side note...I am not for getting your tubes tied...not always a healthy choice!) Who else am I supposed to "pin" this on? God created these tiny unborn babies. Is the mother going to have a difficult time raising them? Possibly. Does God give us more than we can handle? No. They will certainly lead a slightly different life than "normal" but who decides what is normal? My mom has mellowed with age and would still make a wonderful mom if God hadn't already taken care of that possibility. My grandmother helped raise my cousins because my aunt is a little on the not-so-intelligent side. My cousins are both happily married and have kids of their own. It's really not the worst thing ever in the world. Sheesh!
The woman divorced her husband many years ago,but obviously still had sexual relations with him and who knows how many others.
And there's nothing wrong with getting one's tubes tied.It is NOT dangerous,though as with all operations,sometimes there are problems.
And your sanctimony and anecdotal stories,don't strengthen your case.Your Aunt had children,isn't intelligent,so your grandmother had to raise them? That belies your contention,that GOD never gives us more than we can handle.Your Aunt couldn't handle it at all! Lots of people can't handle things that come their was;some commit suicide,others go crazy,some take dope and/or get drunk and stay drunk.
It isn't the definition of "normal" at all.It's what it costs the children.At 59 and 60(the father is 60),these parents will be quite aged,by the time these kids reach maturity.
This aged mother had her first child at 15.There's no mention of her being married then either.
Perhaps you need to rethink your positions. :-)
No, I'm not going to rethink my position. I agree that it is sinful, I'm just not into judging. I think having your tubes tied is sinful as well as having sex outside of marriage. The world is full of sinners and I am one of them.
I gave you the extremely short version of my families problem. My aunt handled it (with the help of my grandma) after her husband was thrown in jail. They made mistakes but are good people. My grandma was in her 60's when she helped my aunt. It does prove the point I'm trying to make. You have no idea how it will turn out. Theses parents have a lot of relatives that may very well be there to help if for some reason the age or health of the parents becomes a problem.
I think God has a plan here. Again, it's not like anyone would have dreamed this could happen. Are you suggesting that she should have an abortion? Not even given these kids a chance? You have no idea how these kids lives will turn out. The kids have brought the parents back together. So maybe some good has come of it already.
God makes babies. They are miracles. No matter who the parents are. They deserve a chance despite the naysayers that have determined their lives will suck just because the parents are old. Wow.
"The woman divorced her husband many years ago,but obviously still had sexual relations with him and who knows how many others."
You have no idea the kind of life she had!! You are making your own assumptions. She very well may have been married when she had her first child. And what makes you say she slept with many others? This story does not even give that kind of information. Don't start spreading gossip!
Keep your opinion and I will keep mine. No worries.
If this happened to me and my wife I believe we would be providing the rest of freeperdom with a double suicide story to comment on. I want my last accomplishment in life to be the topic of a FR thread.
And why were they still engaging in sexual intercourse,when they were divorced?
Why would that be any of your business?
"I want my last accomplishment in life to be the topic of a FR thread."
LOL!
Seriously though, though it would be wonderful to hold another newborn in my arms, I'm (recently!) 42 and cannot imagine having the energy to have another baby, even if the baby were healthy. I hardly slept the first year or so of the lives of both my children. :)
Who died and made you sole arbiter to this woman's religious beliefs?
Her value system may differ from yours, so perhaps you should step back and put this into perspective. I think we could all agree that a woman who straps a bomb around her waist and blows up civilians is horrific. A woman who gets pregnant accidentally and out of wedlock, and decides to bring the children to term and raise them, is also horrific?
Who exactly should be rethinking their positions here?
Is the only kind of birth control you accept,abstinence?
Sheeeeeeeeeesh...I really don't think I want the "full" story. The father is a criminal,your Aunt is mentally retarded,and now you've changed the story,claiming that your grandmother just "helped" a little?
Look...there's something VERY dishy with the story in this article.A 59 year old woman isn't capable of still menstruating and tied tubes just do NOT secretly come undone over a period of many years.And GOD doesn't oversee every single person on Earth's happenstances.You can believe that if you want to,but you then have to also believe that GOD is responsible to every single bad thing that happens too. Helloooooooooooooooo.............? Even the Cathars and Manacheism has two deities...one evil and one good.
I made no assumption...I just threw out some possibilities.This woman got pregnant somehow and it most assuredly wasn't an immaculate conception;ergo, she had sexual relations with at least one man,to who she was not married.As I said,this story is bizarre! There are so many holes in it,that it is unbelievable as is.
And you have made quite a number of assumptions on your own;not to mention basing your opinions in a type of mindless religiosity,that doesn't strengthen your case.You don't know how much longer these parents will live,if the are in good health,or even if they have enough money to provide for these babies,should they die soon.There is no way to know if their older children and grandchildren,or even the great grandchildren will help. And there are health risks for a pregnant woman this age,as well as to the children she's carrying.
Since I never mentioned abortion,in any of my posts,it appears that you see things that are neither written,nor implied.Maybe that's why you also missed the point,in the Bible,about being judgmental.We actually ARE supposed to judge...though many do mistake the " JUDGE NOT,LEST YE BE JUDGED" part,for meaning that we shouldn't judge acts and people.
Why isn't it?
I just turned 40 yesterday and my wife is 42. Our oldest is pregnant now. After 8 kids, it's about time we get to hold the babies and have no responsiblity =)
Well if someone's sex life is now your business, I guess it's my business to know all about yours. I'm all ears, you can begin telling me and the rest of FR all about it now.
Who died and made the poster, to whom you are referring,the arbiter of all things? If she's allowed to post her positions,then I am also allowed to tell her that her positions aren't the ONLY ones to be considered.
Soooooooooo...tell me,do you believe that GOD is the author of every single moment of every single person's live span on Earth? If that were true,then GOD is the reason people get abortions,murder others,steal,rape, and do all manner of evil,vile things. What about the Devil? What about free will?
Who should be rethinking their positions here? You and another poster; that's who. Neither of you have thought this out.
Um... because they can. Because the bedroom police were at the coffee shop or something...
I'm happily married and have never committed adultery. I hope that info is enough to assuage your prurient interest.
Now,how about you? Begin at the beginning and tell us the intimate details of your sex life. Okay? :-)
Then why did they get divorced? :-)
I thought Aleta was already divorced when she did her IVF.
This thread is NOT about Aleta;but yes,she was long divorced,when she did the IVF.
Why did they get divorced?
I don't know and really don't care because it is absolutely, unconditionally, and under no circumstance whatsoever any of my business. Personally, I mind my own busines and not that of others.
So what's the difference between her getting pregnant after her divorce and this woman getting pregnant now?
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