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Bush revives bid to legalize illegal aliens
Washington Times ^ | November 10, 2004 | Bill Sammon

Posted on 11/10/2004 1:43:54 AM PST by ovrtaxt

President Bush yesterday moved aggressively to resurrect his plan to relax rules against illegal immigration, a move bound to anger conservatives just days after they helped re-elect him.

The president met privately in the Oval Office with Sen. John McCain to discuss jump-starting a stalled White House initiative that would grant legal status to millions of immigrants who broke the law to enter the United States.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; binationalcommission; bush; criminalinvasion; foxbuttkissing; guestworker; illegal; tancredo
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To: ClintonBeGone
They do not give more than they take in L.A.. Our ERs are closing because illegals use them as clinics and then are unable to pay the high ER bills. Our schools are bursting at the seams and our school dollars go to more bilingual progrmas than to special ed, gifted program, regular school upgrades, etc.

We get all that for cheaper lettuce? No thanks.

241 posted on 11/10/2004 10:31:54 AM PST by Bella_Bru (Proud member of La Kosher Nostra and the IZC)
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To: Missouri
Are you taking the the word of a leftist newspaper like the Denver Post?

I haven't heard Tancredo deny it.

242 posted on 11/10/2004 10:33:19 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (Sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ovrtaxt
White House officials insisted the move was not "payback" to Hispanic voters who supported Mr. Bush in greater numbers last week than in 2000.

Of course it's payback. Why lie about it?

243 posted on 11/10/2004 10:33:46 AM PST by primeval patriot
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To: Landru
"It's true.

...you *are* the gifted one of the family."


244 posted on 11/10/2004 10:34:26 AM PST by FBD (Democrats have never learned from the second or third or fifth kick of a mule. - Zell Miller)
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To: Bella_Bru
They do not give more than they take in L.A.. Our ERs are closing because illegals use them as clinics and then are unable to pay the high ER bills. Our schools are bursting at the seams and our school dollars go to more bilingual progrmas than to special ed, gifted program, regular school upgrades, etc.

Clearly the moral climate is more to blame in LA than the issue of immigration. Why is it that immigrants can manage just fine in the rest of the country, yet in your state all we hear is whine whine whine. Maybe if you guys start voting for winning candidates for President and Senate you might be taken seriously.

245 posted on 11/10/2004 10:35:17 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (Sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone

I have to sign off right now but why don't you try to come up with the names of the accusers while I'm gone.


246 posted on 11/10/2004 10:37:56 AM PST by Missouri
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To: Bella_Bru

Oh I know that, but the problem is solveable, Bush just won't solve it.


247 posted on 11/10/2004 10:38:54 AM PST by jpsb
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To: ClintonBeGone

I don't think many other parts of the country have as high a concentration of illegals. Do you believe we should just have totally open borders? Tell me why I should pay for the children of illegals?


248 posted on 11/10/2004 10:39:52 AM PST by Bella_Bru (Proud member of La Kosher Nostra and the IZC)
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To: ovrtaxt

I just sent this e-mail to president@whitehouse.gov



Dear President Bush:

The elation I felt at your reelection has turned to disbelief. I cannot believe that the "political capital" handed to you by the majority of voters will be spent accommodating those who have defied our national laws and entered the country illegally.

If you were to ask your supporters, I am confident that for most your position on illegal immigration was in the "negative" column, and that we overlooked it because there were other issues on which you are magnificent -- national sovereignty, national security, ending the "reign of judges," lower taxes, protection of marriage and the other "values" issues. Furthermore, I am acquainted with Kerry supporters who would have jumped to your side in a heartbeat if you had taken a strong position on illegal immigration.

Illegal immigration was pushed to the side during the election campaign. You cannot possibly believe that your reelection gave you a mandate to push this issue.

You can say what you will about the motives of the illegal immigrants -- providing for their families, and so forth . But I believe that respect for our laws should be a minimum requirement for those admitted to our country. Illegals fail this test automatically.

And the scofflaws who are coming across our borders are taxing the system wherever they congregate. I am a lawyer practicing in Utah. Occasionally, I sit in a state courtroom waiting for a hearing, and I see the arraignments taking place. They are overwhelmingly aliens, most likely illegal. I know a state judge who has tried to turn illegals appearing in his court to the INS, and the INS has laughed at him.

Illegals are overwhelming the social service safety net. They arrive in huge numbers, depress wages for everyone, including the American-born underclass, then rely on the taxpayer for the services that their depressed wages cannot provide. Then, the displaced American citizens rely on taxpayer services, as well. Generous social services and out-of-control immigration simply cannot coexist indefinitely.

Finally, illegals are arriving in numbers too large to allow them to assimilate. Instead of the immigrant adopting the values of the United States, parts of the United States are becoming like the Third World.

Please. This is an invasion which is hurting our country. Please enforce our laws.


249 posted on 11/10/2004 10:40:47 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: ClintonBeGone

Did you oppose Cali's Prop 187 and Arizona's Prop 200? If yes, may I ask why?


250 posted on 11/10/2004 10:41:11 AM PST by Bella_Bru (Proud member of La Kosher Nostra and the IZC)
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To: Bella_Bru
I don't think many other parts of the country have as high a concentration of illegals. Do you believe we should just have totally open borders? Tell me why I should pay for the children of illegals?

I don't think anyone should pay for the children of others. That's why I support homeschooling.

251 posted on 11/10/2004 10:41:59 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (Sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Are you taking the the word of a leftist newspaper like the Denver Post?

Were they also wrong when they claimed he would impose a 3 term term limit on himself and conveniently changed his mind?

252 posted on 11/10/2004 10:43:00 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (Sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: jpsb

So I'm just curious: why do you think the President is pushing this plan? I mean, he's not up for re-election in 4 years, and neither is Cheney. What's his motive? Personally, I think he's trying to re-invigorate the republican party with new blood, include more minorities in general. And that includes African Americans. I think its all about a new message - that "compassionate conservatism" that we've all heard about but never thought about.


253 posted on 11/10/2004 10:47:14 AM PST by mudblood
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
What's pushing him [Bush] is, 1) he has Hispanics in his family, 2) he speaks Spanish, and 3) he's a friend of Vincente Fox.

That doesn’t explain the pro-illegal lobby, which includes pro-business libertarian think tanks and the Wall Street Journal. For them it boils down to the peculiar interest of cheap labor. Bush seems to be following their game plan, Willing Workers: ”Fixing” the Problem of Illegal Mexican Migration to the United States , a paper published by the Cato Institute. Bush is carrying water for Republian business interests. Add Rovian Hispanic pandering, and you’ve got your answer.

254 posted on 11/10/2004 10:49:14 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: ClintonBeGone

Looks like we get stabbed in the back on an amnesty and on Arlen Specter.

Bush is a fake conservative like Specter.


255 posted on 11/10/2004 10:49:40 AM PST by FrankRepublican (Arlen Specter = Democrat Bush=Open Borders w/ Mexico)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Well, we support other people's kids through welfare as well. If you can't afford them, don't have them. The problem in L.A. is the majority of illegal Mexicans are traditional Catholics and have as many kids as they can. The church is not offerring to pony up the dough to take care of them. Instead, they direct them to the local social servies office.

Are you for totally open borders?

256 posted on 11/10/2004 10:52:09 AM PST by Bella_Bru (Proud member of La Kosher Nostra and the IZC)
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To: ovrtaxt

people, people, people.

Bush is a politician. As such, he is to be used to advance your own ideas and best interests.

I voted for him because the path of conservatism would have been blocked by Kerry. Bush is not and never will be a law-and-order conservative.

Not that Kerry is no threat, we who believe in conservative principles need to decompose Bush's positions into two categories: One for advances conservatism, the other for does NOT advance conservatism.

for each position, if he espouses the second category, he's the "enemy". if he espouses the first, he's a great president.

Don't ever think that he is anything more than just a man with just some ideas that you may agree with. The election is over, now is the time to aggressively pursue a conservative agenda - and more often than not, the president we all had to vote for is going to stand in the way.

Turn to your congressmen, and state legislatures now and pursue the conservative agenda wherever you can.

It's not betrayal, it's politics. It's the way it has always worked.

Use your politicians, they are tools of democracy, nothing more, and whatever you do, don't worship them because they'll dissappoint you every time.


257 posted on 11/10/2004 11:01:48 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: FrankRepublican
Bush is a fake conservative like Specter.

Bush isn't a fake conservative. His election shows that your issue is a loser. He took the opposite side that you're on and INCREASED his vote among hispanics. You lost. Face the facts. This country, thank God, is still a melting pot.

258 posted on 11/10/2004 11:03:12 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (Sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Deport Billary

Charlotte was a nice place where blacks and whites got along well. The city was possibly a model for the rest of the country. Now it is filled with violent Latin gangs.


259 posted on 11/10/2004 11:04:12 AM PST by FrankRepublican (Arlen Specter = Democrat Bush=Open Borders w/ Mexico)
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To: Bella_Bru
Well, we support other people's kids through welfare as well. If you can't afford them, don't have them. The problem in L.A. is the majority of illegal Mexicans are traditional Catholics and have as many kids as they can. The church is not offerring to pony up the dough to take care of them. Instead, they direct them to the local social servies office. Are you for totally open borders?

So now it's the church's fault? Why don't you just reduce the welfare handouts to ALL in California? To edit a famous phrase "If you end it, they will stop".

260 posted on 11/10/2004 11:04:56 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (Sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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