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Bush revives bid to legalize illegal aliens
Washington Times ^ | November 10, 2004 | Bill Sammon

Posted on 11/10/2004 1:43:54 AM PST by ovrtaxt

President Bush yesterday moved aggressively to resurrect his plan to relax rules against illegal immigration, a move bound to anger conservatives just days after they helped re-elect him.

The president met privately in the Oval Office with Sen. John McCain to discuss jump-starting a stalled White House initiative that would grant legal status to millions of immigrants who broke the law to enter the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; binationalcommission; bush; criminalinvasion; foxbuttkissing; guestworker; illegal; tancredo
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To: ovrtaxt

The second sentance SHOULD read......"a move bound to anger TAXPAYERS"


181 posted on 11/10/2004 9:15:26 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: chronic_loser
So, if I am against illegal immigration I harbor "Stupid prejudice against Mexicans" and I am "UNAMERICAN"?

Yeah right, and if I object to gay marriage, I'm a "homophobe". Be careful just whose tactics.

I strongly oppose illegal immigration and any further amnesties and I don't give a rat's ass who hears it.

182 posted on 11/10/2004 9:15:45 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: ovrtaxt
This may be the issue that causes the wheels to come off of the whole thing for America.

It is astonishing that people who profess to be conservative or based in religious values cannot see that rewarding violation of international law and national sovereignty simply cannot be tolerated--or worse rewarded.

There is the Judeo-Christian mandate for the individual to treat others in a good, just, and kind manner. This is not the state's responsibility. The government exists to protect it's citizens and keep order in society.

This policy is tantamount to leaving your back door unlocked at night in the name of compassion.

from CA

183 posted on 11/10/2004 9:16:49 AM PST by WalterSkinner
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To: Miztiki

"Reason"? "LOGIC"?
HAHA...it's about money. Greed, pure and simple.


184 posted on 11/10/2004 9:17:25 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: jpsb

Absolutely.


185 posted on 11/10/2004 9:18:11 AM PST by international american
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To: PBRSTREETGANG; chronic_loser

I meant to say: Be careful just whose tactics you adopt.

But, it'll no doubt fall on deaf ears anyway.


186 posted on 11/10/2004 9:21:14 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Ron H.
[ Many of you also said you would deal with this after Bush was re-elected. So, how about it?! How do you plan to deal with it?! Or was all that talk just blow-hard bluster?! ]

Everyone knew he was a RINO before the election.. Your AH! HAH!.. is lame.. maybe you would have been BETTER satisfied if Kerry was elected.. Pull yourself together.. Jeese.. if Bush was NOT supposed to get elected the democrats would have run a Lieberman or Gebharht or even a John McLaim(he can be bought you know).. Where do you think you are..."DU"...

188 posted on 11/10/2004 9:23:57 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: TomGuy
Pray that Senator Byrd (Democrat) stops it like he did the last attempt to push an amnesty bill through (c. 2002).

In 2002 the Democrats had a majority, so Byrd had leverage he now doesn't.

The key problem with the Bush proposal is that it allows illegal aliens to apply to become guest workers without having to leave the country. Replace that aspect with Tom Tancredo's guest worker proposal that requires applications from the prospective workers' nations of origin, and we'll be moving toward a workable solution. Tancredo's proposal would provide incentive for illegals to leave and get in line to become legal, rather than rewarding them for jumping to the head of it.

189 posted on 11/10/2004 9:26:16 AM PST by Fatalis (John Kyl in 2008)
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To: ovrtaxt
I just logged into the White House contact page (http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/), and I noticed this:

CONTACTING THE WHITE HOUSE. .[En Español]

It's useless to talk to these people.

Just a few days ago I was fasting and praying for Bush to win. Now, I HONESTLY wish Kerry had gotten it, because a Democrat wouldn't DARE throw the borders open like this... they are fabian gradualists whereas Bush now wants to betray us all in one fell swoop.

Remind me why the hell I am a Republican? What's the use?

190 posted on 11/10/2004 9:28:18 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: Rytwyng
Remind me why the hell I am a Republican?

You tell us.

191 posted on 11/10/2004 9:33:09 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: mudblood
There is a big difference between the illegals from the south and past immigration from where ever. We took, by force from Mexico the land that is being reclaimed by Mexican immigrants. The Mexican immigrates are not coming here to learn our language and become Americans. Most are here to work, make a few bucks and support the family back in Mexico. Some are here to get goodies (free medical, food stamps, welfare) from the US Tax payer and a small but sizable number are here to take back the South West for Mexico. Just about all are anti-US government, anti-American, pro-Mexican that would cut your throat in a NY second.
Contrast that with the earlier "no going back, do or die" immigrants and you will quickly see that the problem we face to today is not a large immigrant population, but a large foreign anti-American population with very short supply lines. Will this anti-American population turn into and an enemy army within our borders? Will it turn into a huge anti-American voting block? Or will just turn into a Mexican colony in the South West USA. Your guess is as good as mine but nothing good will come of this madness. Reagan's amnesty was supposed to be a one time deal only, and then secure the border. hahahaha, now is seems with will do amnesties until it kills us.
193 posted on 11/10/2004 9:36:01 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Rytwyng
Now, I HONESTLY wish Kerry had gotten it, because a Democrat wouldn't DARE throw the borders open like this...

Sure he (or they) would. sKerry is/was ready to hand our collective rear ends to the UN on a platter.

"Global test" as it were. He'd be holding the door to our borders open, much like Canada does.

Fact is, we can't count on our leadership to think our borders will be "protected," no matter what side of the isle they are on.

194 posted on 11/10/2004 9:37:49 AM PST by kstewskis (Political correctness is intellectual terrorism.......M Gibson)
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To: chronic_loser
This is the ugly mask behind all the posturing tripe behind the protests here on FR. Call people on it and they will hypocritically claim "it is about ILLEGAL immigration, I have nothing against Latinos" ....., but when the possiblity comes to grent legal status to the millions of productive latinos whose ONE illegal act was one of crossing a border, watch the xenophobes HOWL.

So much moronic, race-baiting open borders tripe, so little time. You apparently are a very sheltered person. You never met a Mexican until you were 21? Did you live in a closet?

To compare the now decades long Mexican invasion of America that has turned our country upside down, debased the sovereignty and integrity of our political process and is bankrupting our institutions across the country to America's past immigration history is beyond the pale.

Contrary to your assertions that much of the past European immigration was illegal and unwanted, nothing could be further from the truth. Back then our government actually controlled immigration and would periodically shut down or increase immigration as it suited our economic needs. Moreover assimilation was not an option, it was a requirement. If an immigrant refused to work, learn our language and adopt our customs they soon were sailing back to the old country and many did.

Contrast that to what we have today where Illegal Aliens don't need to learn English, don’t need to assimilate and have across the board carte blanche access to our welfare system including subsidized schooling, housing, free medical care, food stamps etc etc. etc. all on the dime of the American Taxpayer. To say nothing of the staggering social costs of increased crime, lower wages and new public infrastructure expenses caused by this epic invasion.

Simply put, if our government refuses to protect our borders and sovereignty from foreign invasion as MANDATED in our Constitution America’s days as a Free and Independent Republic are numbered. This now chronic failure to control illegal immigration is not being lost on the world. No doubt the PRC and many a Muslim Terrorist are only too pleased to see that we as a nation are unable to control the flow of immigrants coming to our country.

195 posted on 11/10/2004 9:39:10 AM PST by WRhine
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To: taxed2death
Well since only about 20% of us pay significant federal taxes that is not big deal in the political calculus. Who cares if the rich complain? Screw the rich, power to the people.
196 posted on 11/10/2004 9:40:56 AM PST by jpsb
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To: kstewskis
Fact is, we can't count on our leadership to think our borders will be "protected," no matter what side of the isle they are on.

No kidding. So... what on earth do we do? Try another "political human sacrifice" stunt (a la John & Ken)? Join Ranch Rescue and get accused of being terrorists? Vote Constitution Party and pray for the Repubs to implode? None of these seem likely to be effective. I'm at a loss.

197 posted on 11/10/2004 9:42:40 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: WRhine
but when the possiblity comes to grent legal status to the millions of productive latinos whose ONE illegal act was one of crossing a border, watch the xenophobes HOWL

I think the, uhm, "xeonphobes" howl, because that "ONE illegal act" was the breaking of federal immigration law (ASSUMING that they also did not drive, without insurance, and obtain employment). That would be, what, FOUR illegal acts?

So, it would appear that the, well, "xeonphobes" don't want people who knowingly and willingly broker every U.S. standing in their way to become legal citizens.

I'm not sure if that's Xenophobic, but as you are someone who "never met a Mexican until I was 21", I'm pretty sure that you don't know either.

199 posted on 11/10/2004 9:45:27 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Rytwyng
" Remind me why the hell I am a Republican?"

Supreme court nominations, and that is the ONLY reason.

200 posted on 11/10/2004 9:46:14 AM PST by jpsb
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