and the marketplace has priced the current democratic party out of existence. when it reinvensts itself, lets pray that it does so with sane ideas.
and beware the reincarnation of these leftist freaks.
Posted on 11/06/2004 3:35:24 PM PST by Ron/GA
Our American system demands a viable two party system, balanced in their opposition by their loyalty to the principle that the good of the Country comes before the good of the Party. The disturbing reality is that the Democratic Party has been hijacked and is now controlled by elements that put their personal ambitions and interests before the good of their Party and America. I am forced to conclude that an intervention is required. We have to save the Democratic Party.
I admit there is great pleasure in watching them implode and pay for the damage that they have done to this country. I cringed with every lie, wild accusation and distortion that they have thrown out over the last 2 years. My gut reaction is to let 'em burn.
But the reality is they are still out there and they are dangerous. This was brought home by the immediate attacks that Nancy Pelosi and others of her ilk launched the day after the election. As I watched, I realized they are beginning now - tearing down the opposition for the next election cycle. It will not stop. It is the standard operating procedure of the current leadership of the Democratic Party.
I cannot bear the thought of another four years like the last two. Their lies and attacks will discourage our people, confuse our friends and embolden our enemies. They must be removed.
Terry McAuliffe has stated that he will resign in February of next year. The rumor is that Harold Ickes, Hillary Clinton's lead operative, is being positioned to assume the position as Chairman of the DNC. For her to succeed in her ruthless quest for power, she must retain control of the leadership of the party. Ickes, as head of the DNC, will give her that control.
By accomplishing this, she will have the platform, the infrastructure and the financial resources to divide and to wound this country deeply; to tear down and minimize anything good that might be accomplished over the next four years. She, through Ickes, will repeat the Democratic strategy of the last two years. It is the only way that she can win. This must be stopped.
I only know one Democrat on the national stage that has shown that he has loves his party and his country enough to stand up and say "NO" to the cabal that has taken over his party; who has the courage, integrity and wisdom to take on this task. That man is Zell Miller.
He knows where the Democratic Party came from, he knows what it is now and he knows who the players are that pull the strings from the shadows. I believe that he has the vision, the credibility and the guts to take it back from the elite cabal that has seized it and restore it to what it should be. Simply put, we need to form a movement to "Draft Zell".
As much as I believe that Zell is ready to retire and enjoy the time he has left, I also believe that deep down he has a burning desire to save the Democratic Party from the current leadership. He knows the danger that they pose to America and her future.
By building a team of moderate Democrats, many of whom have receded over the years like Sam Nunn and Joe Lieberman, I believe that he can quickly succeed in wresting control from the "Clintonista's". There is a “silent majority” of Democrats that would support this effort, who are ashamed and embarrassed by the actions of their leadership.
I further believe that if it weren’t for the war in Iraq and the tremendous collusion on the part of main stream media to destroy George Bush by distortion and outright lies, John Kerry would have had the most humiliating loss in history.
Few people voted for John Kerry, they voted against George Bush. They voted against the "wrong war", vaccine shortages, drug prices, immigration, social security changes and a host of other issues that the DNC and 527's deceived them on. Their leadership has been deceiving them for 13 years and I think that many of them “get it” now but feel powerless.
There is no grassroots support for the current leadership of the DNC in sufficient numbers to stop a movement to take it back by the moderates. Even Mayor Daly of Chicago said on Thursday: "The Democrats are Washington, D.C., politicians. They don't reach out to a mayor, a governor, or the state chairman. There's no local anymore". There is rebellion in the ranks and it needs to be fanned into a revolution.
I believe that a “Draft Zell” movement can do that. It would gather strong financial support from all concerned American's who are appalled at the activities of the Democratic leadership - Democrats, Republicans and Independents alike. Given sufficient resources, it can be done.
The effort to “Draft Zell” could also be independently supported. Much as the Swift Boat vets launched their drive to get the truth out about John Kerry, imagine the impact a series of commercials would have showing the corruption and deceit in the Democratic Leadership. We could put selected clips of Carville, Gore, Begalla, Kennedy… (God, we have so many to chose from) spewing their lies over the last two years and present the truth side by side. Imagine what we can accomplish matching up their lies to the truth - and we can do it in our pajamas!
Without all the noise and rhetoric of the election to confuse the issue, it would be devastating. Particularly as it would be funded and supported by Americans not tied to party affiliations – Americans in a Red and Blue State coalition to protect our country.
I believe that it should be done, I believe that it can be done. Let's Roll!
The problem is first and foremost the Clintons! They run the party organization, and if Harold Ickes is the next DNC chairman, it will solidify their power. The rational Democrats know the party is too liberal to win at the national level, but they have no say in the direction of the party. Hillary is going to be their next presidential nominee in 2008. If the party somehow moderates its' image where does that leave the liberals? They will not tolerate modified positions on abortion, gun control, taxes, and national defense. I don't see it happening. The Zell Millers, Joe Liebermanns, and Evan Bayhs of the party are much too small in number to affect the direction of policy. It will take a catastrophic loss before they understand that they're sadly out of touch with most Americans.
You may be on to something. Senators make bad candidates, governors make good one. I think the fact of Hilary's name being out in front early is not a good thing for here. Those types often flame out.
In my opinion we dont have to save them. We simply split the Republican party in 1/2 by seperating the neocon's from the conservatives.
OK, I'll bite for the punchline. WHAT is the Elbonian Party?
The dem party is in it's decline. The libertarian party will take it's place.
I'm not saving them .. THEY NEED TO SAVE THEMSELVES. Their stupidity is not my fault.
The modern Democrat party is nothing more than a Socialist/Communist party and it can go away. Once it does then the Republican party can break into two or more parties --- it would be far far better to have elections between Conservatives and Republicans --- throw in Libertarians too.
I would be quite happy with a two-party system consisting of the Republican party and the Libertarian party.
The Democrat party is too corrupt and fractured to long endure.
The Republican party of today is already the Democrat party of the future of 30 years ago. John F. Kennedy presided over one of the largest tax cuts in the history of the nation, and was a strong proponent of individual rights (including the Second Amendment) and the principle of personal responsibility.
"By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."
John F. Kennedy, April 1960
To those who wish to let this continue and just concentrate on our own policies, read this again. We are at war on two fronts, and the more these socialist hate filled ungodly scum pump out lies, the more it helps our other enemy, the Islamic fascist terrorists. We must do all we can to counter these liars.
Hope Zell is listening. An excellent suggestion.
http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/plop/html/about_comic.html
I just thought they sound every bit as likable as the Dems.
and the marketplace has priced the current democratic party out of existence. when it reinvensts itself, lets pray that it does so with sane ideas.
and beware the reincarnation of these leftist freaks.
The only two-party system I would be interested in preserving is Libertarian/Republican. The democRat party can go to hell.
I further believe that if it weren’t for the war in Iraq and the tremendous collusion on the part of main stream media to destroy George Bush by distortion and outright lies, John Kerry would have had the most humiliating loss in history.They would have blamed his loss purely on 9-11. A Bush win would have been so certain that Democrats would have stayed home. Iraq was necessary to create a distinction. It caused the Democrats to do everything within their power to win. Voter drives, conspiracy theories, media distortion and outright lies, billionaire donors, 527s, get out the vote ... and their pride, their worldview, their idea that everyone agrees with them, and every frailty in man. Without Iraq you would only have seen half of that. They needed to get everything together in order for the election results to be truly humiliating.
I'd like to see the Democratic party saved, but I don't think Zell Miller can do it. They need to lose again, because they have too much hope that they can win in 2008, and they aren't about to let Miller in. I don't think we necessarily need two parties in the United States. We've done it before, basically whenever the forerunner of our Democratic Party defeated other parties until finally the Republicans rose up strong enough. Maybe it would be better for the US if we destroyed the Democrats along with their leftist hijackers and just formed two parties for America out of ourselves.
I seem to remember that American survivded the death of the Whig party. I don't remember the rise of Teddy Rooseveldt's Bull Moose party as destroying America.
Are there some history lessons I haven't learned?
I see little functional difference to the Republican party spliting into the Republican party and the Bull Moose Party and the Democratic party splitting into a Socialist Party and a Green-Gay party.
Yes we need to avoid the kind of one-party corruption that plagued Mexico and the Soviet Union. However, I doubt that we need to go out of our way to "save" the Democratic party.
Actually, I think Zell did the honorable thing by stepping down from Congress.
Liberman on the other hand when he effectively told democratic jewish voters in Florida to vote for Bush, now that was "betrayal" to do that and not stand down from the party was really eye-opening.
The whole idea of a "two-party system" is a myth.
It has become that over the years due to a ruthless and unethical stacking of the deck against other parties by the two dominant ones.
Our Founders envisioned a multitude of smaller parties with their tailored platforms - all with what was best for the country in mind.
What we have now is a bastardization of the Founding Principles.
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