Posted on 11/05/2004 8:44:13 AM PST by RightSideRedux
Here are some great quotes from the some left-leaning blogsites
Edwards had it right when he spoke of Two Americas. Those Two Americas just threw up a big brick wall between them in the last 2 days. I don't think any of us can knock it down. (source)
The talk of values on tv and i heard it a lot on CBS because that was the network on which i watched most of the time last night. it's not values, it's a terrible form of Christianity, where you don't have a god to love but a devil to hate and sinners to punish. that is your hard-core bush-supporting evangelicals. (source)
Bush made a conscious decision not to be "out- Jesused." The only way to fight him was to show his supporters that their candidate had feet of clay, that he did not in fact live the life they thought he did. (source)
There are more conservatives out there than liberals, and as I wrote at length here, they stand for things we are diametrically opposed to. We can't siphon the "racist" vote, or the "anti-gay" vote, or the "religious nutcase" vote. And the numbers are saying that those constituencies are very large, even if we liberals don't want to believe that. (source)
We need to SIMPLIFY our message, and as someone else said up-thread, celebrate REAL family values- health care for all, clean environment, respect for LIFE on our terms, etc.
For crying out loud, this is why we lost the election. Stop looking for conspiracy theories and start looking for answers. Kerry lost this election, as Gore did...now what are you going to do about it? You can scream fraud all you want, but it's not going to change anything. We (i.e. the democrats and their supporters) have to stop playing the blame game, and get their own house in order.
Reframing the argument. In the coming era, Pro life could mean protecting people at all stages of life. e.g. Pregnant single women with low income and little access to affordable healthcare are more likely to have an abortion. If you want to stamp out abortion, you have to demonize all the root causes of abortion, not just sex and not the procedure itself. Improve access to education, expand section 8 housing, fight for a higher minimum wage, etc. By using the momentum of the theocrats against themselves we can bring mainstream-conservative Christians into our tent but it will take years (probably decades) to reframe the arguments sufficiently so that a 3 second sound bite with a few code words thrown in will move 50+ million voters.
I do think we have to understand that Rove has changed the make up electorate. We can't go buy official party registrations; Rove has increased the size of the reliable conservative electorate and put us at a greater starting point disadvantage. This has helped Republicans beat expectations in both 2002 and 2004. Traditionally Presidential parties take a beating in the sixth year of a two term president, but Clinton beat that rule in 1998, and I would ignore it in 2006- we are going to have to fight for every inch
Fraud alone is not why Kerry is behind in the popular vote by 3+ million.(Although if all the absentee and provisional ballots are counted, this number will decrease). And even if Kerry won Ohio, a 3 million vote deficit and a Rethug Congress would make Kerry's presidency impossible to govern. The likely outcome is that W runs again in 2008 and wins. (source)
Mike Malloy covered this on his AirAmericaRadio show last night. Four republican backed, religious fundamentalist christian inspired companies have cornered the touch screen voting machine market. They are:ES & S, Diebold, Sequoia, SAIC
Our despair, on the other hand, is undiluted. American liberalism is going into a deep internal exile. This will be, at least with regard to our public institutions, Tom DeLay's America--craven toward the economically powerful and vicious toward the economically weak, contemptuous of open debate and thuggish toward an increasingly embittered world. It would be comforting to believe the pendulum will naturally swing back. But, as my colleague Jonathan Chait has argued, the Bush administration and its allies have gone to great lengths to insulate themselves from democratic pressure, to make decisions in secret, and thus to prevent public opinion from forcing their hand. Already, the president is claiming a mandate for partial Social Security privatization and regressive changes in the tax code-- even though he rarely campaigned on these issues and there is no evidence the American public voted for them. The pendulum will not inevitably swing back. It will have to be moved back by a political opposition that knows what it believes and knows how to fight for it.
They'll NEVER get "it"
Insanity must be contagious and running rampant among the democrats.
Good.
Very telling!
Q:"What are the best things in life, Conan?"
A:"To defeat your enemies in battle and to hear the lamentations of their women."
Heh.
Oh, yeah? When did he say that? Even after the election the left continues to lie.
This conspiracy theory really cracks me up. If the touch-screens were tampered with, why did Kerry win virtually the identical states that Gore won? Why did Bush carry Ohio, where 70% of the voters used punch card ballots? Why didn't Diebold and the others set up the touch screens to make it a 50 state sweep. Heck, they could have even fixed the machines in Washington, D.C. to overcome that 90-10 edge they let Kerry have. Wait, I know--they fixed the rsults but didn't want it to be too obvious, so they let Kerry win just enough electoral votes to allay suspicion while still providing Bush with a mandate. Yeah, that's the ticket!
I've seen it posted on FR but really didn't put much into it until this week.
"Liberalism is a mental disorder."
Truth, honesty and integrity are characteristics that one must reject if one is to be a democrat.
Uh... Ok. I don't see it as being a likely scenario, but ooooookay.
Unngh.
It is so... funny to see the left going into full delusional conspiracy mode.
Everything I have read and studied about the dynamics of groups and true believers indicates that this party will continue its self-destruction for then next two decades. The red diaper babies and 60's revolutionaries will have to die off. They will never give up on their delusions; they will only continue to develop ever more delusional conspiracy theories to explain why their last delusions never worked.
They could get away with this stuff when the old media was dominant enough to cover for them. Now they can not.
Shenny. Yesterday. Bush said it. Press conference. Glad he did, too.
Rove didn't change the make up of the electorate. He uncovered it. The only way to change the make up of the electorate is to win the war of ideas and it started with Reagan. Shipdits!
Insanity and, per Sen. Elect Coburn, lesbianism. LOL!
Oh please post more. This stuff is just too entertaining.
"Out Jesused" ???
Remind us again which candidate turned a church service into a political rally every Sunday?
The problem is they believe in progress as the define it. They thing any as 'progressives' they have a monopoly on what progress is and where it goes. They assume any change or trend away from anything in the past is a good one and then they ignore the lessons of history that prove the wrong. They have some misguided faith that society evolves toward something and they think it is a good something. All the while they are dead set on believing that any smart thinking person who looks at the facts will come to the same viewpoint as them. And they they define 'facts' as what ever the media tells them.
Lord willing, in 15 years most elections will be between Republican and Libertarian candidates, with kooky "3rd party" Dems floating around for amusement and ridicule. :D
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