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Putting the moves on (Exodus from California continues)
Los Angeles Daily News ^ | 11/4/04 | Greg Wilcox

Posted on 11/04/2004 5:37:45 PM PST by BurbankKarl

An exodus of California residents this summer, strong enough that one company temporarily suspended truck and trailer rentals for one-way moves out of state, is continuing deep into autumn.

Some of those running for the border are cashing out equity in their homes, others are fleeing high housing prices and apartment rents, while others are seeking a place where the living is cheaper, indicate interviews with rental company officials, economists and analysts.

Demand in California peaked in late summer, prompting Phoenix-based U-Haul International to restrict rentals for out-of-state destinations from Aug. 2 though Sept. 7, though they were modified somewhat in late August.

Demand remains strong, though, and U-Haul still has cities that are only taking reservations if they are based on incoming equipment arrivals, and the customers may have to travel to pick up the equipment or just wait, said company spokeswoman Joanne Fried.

It's made for a 7-day, 70-hour workweek for Mike Jubrail, who runs a U-Haul store at his MJ's Auto Care and Fast Lube business at 8659 Corbin Ave. in Canoga Park.

"We've seen a lot of people move to the closer cities -- Phoenix and Las Vegas -- and we've seen them go up north to Spokane, Wash., and Boise, Idaho," Jubrail said.

And lots of his customers talked about housing prices as they signed the rental forms.

"The main thing is the cost of living and the price of housing. A person can sell their house here for half a million and go to Boise and buy a house for $100,000 and have a couple of bucks to live on. The other reason is jobs," he said.

U-Haul said that a check of its customer database showed that between Jan. 1 and mid October:

3.5 percent more families moved out of Los Angeles County than moved in. San Diego was the top destination followed by Las Vegas, San Bernardino, Riverside and Phoenix.

5.7 percent more families moved out of Ventura County than moved in. The migration pattern was slightly different, though San Diego was also the top destination. It was followed by Las Vegas, Lancaster and Bakersfield. Phoenix and Mesa, Ariz., were also top ten destinations.

Jim Webber, national lease and rental product marketing manager for Penske Truck Leasing Co. LP, tells a similar story, though he doesn't share migration data.

"There has been an extensive demand for rental equipment out of California this year. I've heard a lot of people are selling out and getting-out-of-Dodge type of things," he said.

Most of the outward migration is coming from the state's major cities, Webber said.

California is still expected to gain in population, but it will be driven by people coming here from other countries rather than other states.

This doesn't surprise William H. Frey, a senior fellow at the Milken Institute who specializes in demographic trends.

Foreign-born Californians assimilate after several years then look elsewhere, where housing and other costs are cheaper, allowing them to keep improving their economic lot.

"I think it's consistent with the longer-term trend. It's more the people who are squeezed by high housing costs," he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Idaho; US: Nevada; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: california; economy; exodus; immigration
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To: finallyatexan

It means that people in the high-tax, high-rent blue states have figured out they'd rather live in the red states, and are finding their values are more conservatives.


21 posted on 11/04/2004 6:01:25 PM PST by eagle11 (The smartest people are Conservative. Some, who live by inserfing others, call themselves Liberals.)
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To: finallyatexan
Why do you think Colorado replaced a Republican senator with a Democrat one?

Also, pretty much every city is being run like a welfare state: each city has its own super-luxurious health and fitness complex, open spaces, bike paths, etc. all paid for through property taxes. This may be OK, but it certainly doesn't follow the independent mentality that Colorado used to be famous for.

22 posted on 11/04/2004 6:02:38 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: MarkeyD
Well, if its a big lake you like, Traverse City, Michigan is very nice. (And, the town is right on the shore, unlike Reno where you have to drive miles and miles to get to the nearest big lake and which would be very unpleasing to Californians...).

Or, Austin, Texas, which is also near a big lake which Californians would just love...

23 posted on 11/04/2004 6:03:11 PM PST by sailor4321
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To: sailor4321

I lived in Chicago on that same lake. I've been to Traverse City and Austin. Let the Dems go to either!


24 posted on 11/04/2004 6:05:44 PM PST by MarkeyD (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com>Loser</a>)
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To: BurbankKarl

I was worried that so many liberals may have moved to Phoenix and Las Vegas that it would turn both states demonrat.


25 posted on 11/04/2004 6:07:40 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: finallyatexan

A great many of those leaving are Republicans for obvious
reasons.


26 posted on 11/04/2004 6:08:34 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: MarkeyD
Right! And if they pick Traverse City, they'll be in a blue state! Or, if Austin, they'll be in a blue part of a red state. They'll be right at home.

They just wouldn't like it here, I'm afraid.

27 posted on 11/04/2004 6:08:39 PM PST by sailor4321
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To: BurbankKarl

I can not wait to move out of the People's Republic of California. I would really prefer to be surounded by the good old boys of a Red state. I have had it up to my ears with the efete, intellectual cocaine sniffers of the SF Bay Area.


28 posted on 11/04/2004 6:08:52 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Now is the time for all wise men to gloat. FOUR MORE YEARS,)
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To: 101viking

I read recently that home values in San Fran are rocketing down, and that the trend would pick up all over Cali.


29 posted on 11/04/2004 6:11:02 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MarkeyD

Nevada is a red state that will probably be blue by 2008 due to the massive influx of people from California.


30 posted on 11/04/2004 6:14:49 PM PST by umgud (Donate monthly, don't be a Freeploader)
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To: FastCoyote
We need to retake California.

We are out of ammo. Send money now...

31 posted on 11/04/2004 6:15:25 PM PST by tubebender (If I had know I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
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To: Sivad

I was thinking that myself right after I posted - fingers working faster than brain sometimes!!


32 posted on 11/04/2004 6:18:14 PM PST by finallyatexan
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To: BurbankKarl

California....the state that eats its most productive citizens and feeds the remains to its least productive inhabitants...most of whom are not even US citizens...


33 posted on 11/04/2004 6:22:52 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: BurbankKarl

I really hate what illegal immigration has done to my City (used to be small town). There are places here now that actually look just like Mexico. My husband is retiring soon and we are leaving. I say let em have California.


34 posted on 11/04/2004 6:26:08 PM PST by sheana
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To: BurbankKarl

On Wednesday Tom Sullivan, local radio talk show host and sometimes fill-in for Rush, explained why San Francisco people are so out of touch with the rest of America. While the President has raised the home ownership rate in the U.S. to 70%+, the home ownership rate in SFO is only around 35%. If you aren't responsible for property, YOU AREN'T RESPONSIBLE!


35 posted on 11/04/2004 6:31:06 PM PST by anonsquared
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To: BurbankKarl

And all the left caqn think to do is raise taxes. What a bunch of pathetic morons.


36 posted on 11/04/2004 6:31:13 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: BurbankKarl
I don't care about where they're moving from. I want to know where they're moving to!

I'll wager a disproportionate number of them are heading for Austin, TX, which has virtually become the San Francisco of TX. Crap. I wish Texans would buy up billboard ads on the Interstates, hiways and byways in AZ and NM, telling the Californicators to take that left turn at Albuquerque! (As a Texan, I'd contribute to the cause.)

37 posted on 11/04/2004 6:31:37 PM PST by Cooltouch
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To: Jeff Gordon
I can not wait to move out of the People's Republic of California. I would really prefer to be surounded by the good old boys of a Red state. I have had it up to my ears with the efete, intellectual cocaine sniffers of the SF Bay Area.

You wouldn't like Washington then. Blue state, coke heads, crack heads, queers all over the place, RAINS ALL THE TIME, everything gets moldy - even the family dog, really a horrible, miserable place. Try someplace sunny, like Arizona or something.

38 posted on 11/04/2004 6:31:38 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: umgud

Actually, I think the reason the President won in many western states is because so many Conservatives are leaving CA to move to NV, AZ, NM, CO, etc.


39 posted on 11/04/2004 6:34:10 PM PST by anonsquared
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To: BurbankKarl

My next door neighbor moved here (Oklahoma) from California recently. He and 14 other members of his family all left CA at the same time. Religious, political and economic climate was horrible, they said. 15 people (4 families) moved!!!


40 posted on 11/04/2004 6:34:21 PM PST by I'm ALL Right! (Savor....)
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