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Why do urban centers vote Democrat, and rural Republican?
11-03 | M. Peach

Posted on 11/03/2004 6:23:56 PM PST by M. Peach

I thought I had all the answers regarding politics until my one of my teen aged sons asked me (and yes, I'm proud to say both of them are conservative) why large cities tend to vote Democrat, and rural areas - or mostly the rest of the country, Republican?

Can I get some opinions out there?


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bluezone; conservative; democrat; liberal; redzone; republican
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To: M. Peach

There are more people in cities that have become dependent on government hand-outs. People in rural areas tend to be more self-sufficient.


201 posted on 11/03/2004 8:15:03 PM PST by yavapai
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To: M. Peach
Because they're the true centers of Socialism.

Just look at the election map. Blue equals high welfare, high crime America. Red is the real hope and ambition of the true America.

202 posted on 11/03/2004 8:16:24 PM PST by catfur (God Bless President Bush)
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To: digger48

I second redwing9's response. that sort of stuff is what ruins conservative's good name!


203 posted on 11/03/2004 8:16:29 PM PST by smcmike
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To: TypeZoNegative

There aren't the large disparities between the income of blacks and whites in small towns (or even suburbs) like there are in big cities.


204 posted on 11/03/2004 8:18:32 PM PST by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: Melas

I'm sure each town has its own personality. I lived in Dallas several years also. It was fine when I was single. Hubby and I met there and will do anything to AVOID raising our children there. But we liked it when we were single.


205 posted on 11/03/2004 8:20:53 PM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: TXBubba

Three reasons...

1. Welfare

2. Birds of a feather, and all that

3. More homeless shelters

And, NO, I'm not ashamed of myself for saying that.


:O)

P


206 posted on 11/03/2004 8:22:59 PM PST by papasmurf (Kerry..." What are you gonna' believe, me, or your own 2 eyes?"..(Graucho Marx))
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To: brianl703

"Based on that, the only conclusion that I can come to is that liberalism and social pathology go together like flies on crap."

Speaking of crap, I'm reminded of the incident when two flies landed on a piece of crap. One lifts his leg and passes gas - the other says, "Hey- do you mind? I'm eating here!"


207 posted on 11/03/2004 8:23:11 PM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: M. Peach
Go to any big city. Stand on a corner for about an hour. Observe what walks by.

You will no longer wonder.

208 posted on 11/03/2004 8:27:24 PM PST by GSHastings
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To: detsaoT

Wouldn't work because the districts are based on population, not geographical size. New York City for example has tiny little districts geographically, but each one is packed with people. Your plan wouldn't weaken urban centers at all.


209 posted on 11/03/2004 8:30:12 PM PST by Melas
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To: TXBubba

To each his own. We spent years looking forward to the day where we could get our children out of the sticks. Different mindsets I guess.


210 posted on 11/03/2004 8:32:21 PM PST by Melas
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To: Billthedrill

"urban collectivism versus rural individualism"

I'll take this one. I've lived both places - and it was quite an adjustment to realize that the government didn't have to provide everything for me - garbage collection, police protection, schooling etc.

Then I learned I could do it better. And keep my taxes lower, and keep some semblence of privacy from the government over my life.

People in the NE are TAUGHT to rely on the government. The idea of taking charge for themselves is alien. It's a culture thing. They need to experience it to realize the superiority of individualism.


211 posted on 11/03/2004 8:39:14 PM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: M. Peach

Independent, self-sufficneitn people tend not to need to high price of cities. Dependent, insufficient people pay the premium for cities, and make good socialists.


212 posted on 11/03/2004 8:56:49 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: M. Peach

Excellent question.

Without a doubt, cities have become 'machine Democrat'
locations WHERE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY JUST DOES NOT OPERATE.
Just as the GOP didnt operate in the South for 100 years.

there are a few pillars of the Democrat party now:
- while Liberals and academics
- single women
- minority voters
- poor and lower-class and welfare/dependent voters
(including dependent elderly)

in the past, Democrats had ethnic immigrant advantages in the big cities. this goes back all the way to the days of Tammany Hall. The immigrant strength is slowly seeping away as they become "Reagan democrats" and now "values voters" or simply middle-class republicans.

Aside from the clear minority concentrations, there
is not a clear reason why cities are so lopsided ie 90% to 10%. it's absurd. It would be a GREAT question to ask:
Do MARRIED WHITES in cities vote more Democratic than
suburban/rural married white voters?
What are the values differences? what are the economic differences? (ie are they more in dependency on govt)?


I dont know the answer, but there is a lot of 'history' that goes into voting patterns... communities continue to reflect the voting patterns of previous decades.


213 posted on 11/03/2004 9:06:25 PM PST by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - 4 MORE YEARS!)
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To: TypeZoNegative

"Now that I've grown up, paid taxes and have spent 5 years away from public schools, I've simply seen liberalism for the crock that it is."

LOL ... I love that answer.


214 posted on 11/03/2004 9:08:50 PM PST by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - 4 MORE YEARS!)
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To: Mannaggia l'America

(I have a friend who is afraid to vote Republican because he thinks the union will find out he did. This is a grown man - and I'm not so sure he's not crazy. I've read stories about how unions check the voter rolls to make sure their members have registered with the "proper" party.)




Yes I know, in Chicago where I once spent my youth and sibs are still there you could not have a job with the City of Chicago and vote Republican. Whether actual consequences would ensue or fear of them kept all those employees in line. Skerry place!

I am the only one of a big family to break ranks, go south, to the country life and Republican way of life. Only by the grace of God!!!

Last year I utilized the services of a Chicago doctor and well known medical center for our son. After having been gone for so long I was in for a rude awakening. From business men cutting in front of me and my infant son, to others hustling on an elevator I called for, leaving me in the hall waiting for other passengers to disembark while they quick hit close door and the floor they wanted leaving my son and me waiting for the next elevator it was more than obvious the difference between urban and rural folk.

I am more than happy here in Panhandle FL, AKA lower Alabama. I don't need a Starbucks every few miles, or the rest of the latest fascinations that strike mankind. Seeing the stars at night more than make up for the loss of those conveniences.


215 posted on 11/03/2004 9:09:12 PM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: Melas

Ahh, that's right- Thanks for the correction. My mind must've been looking at the state County maps, but thinking "congressional districts." D'oh. :)


216 posted on 11/03/2004 9:18:18 PM PST by detsaoT (insert hot-button issue here.)
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To: valkyrieanne

Yeah, but the suburbs in the northeast vote Democratic as well, albeit in not as large numbers as the cities.


217 posted on 11/03/2004 9:21:10 PM PST by Clemenza (AKA The Avenging Disco Godfather)
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To: M. Peach

Urban centers have more government dependents. They are also populated by more "sophisticated" people, and I mean that sarcastically. They tend to be more secular and less values-oriented. Not to say that there are no Christians in the city, or no heathens in the country. I'm talking broad principles here.


218 posted on 11/03/2004 9:22:52 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: M. Peach

It's like a crowded lifeboat,

Everything in the boat becomes community property, people are forced to share and take turns, and to submit every action to the rule of the captain.

To say that people in a life boat tend to act like commies because they are wrong-headed, is silly.

Same with densely populated cities.


219 posted on 11/03/2004 9:42:17 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: M. Peach

And that is why population growth from immigration threatens America's freedom: the more people, the less freedom.


220 posted on 11/03/2004 9:43:46 PM PST by Age of Reason
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