Posted on 10/28/2004 4:36:02 PM PDT by Cavalier79
thats pure al kaka
at or near the Al Qaqaa munitions facility.
Good grief.
And they "MAY" have been right next to a bunker.
The story falls apart before I retire for the evening, which I am going to do now.
URGENT:
CAN ANYONE CONFIRM THAT ON NIGHTLINE, KOPPEL REVEALED HE WAS AT THE AL QAQAA FACILITY THE NIGHT BEFORE THE BAGHDAD INVASION AND HE SAID THE LEADERSHIP HE WAS WITH SAID THERE WERE NO WEAPONS THERE AND IT IS ALMOST CERTAIN THEY WERE REMOVED BEFORE THEN?
Call the NYT. Frankly, this is an example of a lapse of journalistic integrity that almost compares to thet CBS false docs.....
Call the NYT. Frankly, this is an example of a lapse of journalistic integrity that almost compares to thet CBS false docs.....I might even rate it higher since it is the last week of the election.
I checked your link and it looks like Cheney is going to Hawaii! (so is Gore)
Cool!
Off topic, but that's neat.
And now we have a statement from the reporter stating the seal was already broken when he got there.
Sorry, I had different information:
This explosive is a phenol derivative. It is toxic and explosive compounds made from picric acid are poisonous if inhaled, ingested, or handled and absorbed through the skin. The toxicity of this explosive restricts it's use due to the fact that over exposure in most cases causes liver and kidney failure and sometimes death if immediate treatment is not obtained.
Brilliant. The two big late hits that were supposed to take Bush out exploded in the faces of the NYT and CBS.
Petards all around!!!
I listned to the show locally in MN. They are a left-wing news show that lied about this thing. And they have the lowest ratings in this market. Just think the Owner is a Republican.
martha.raddatz@abc.com
Ask her why she was so clear in this story about the weapon's connection....when:
1) original affiliate story says they don't know what stuff is or if it was even stolen
2) classification on the containers includes much more than HMX...
3) affiliate story said did not enter sealed bunker and video shows no seal. There also is a report that an embed saw a broken seal elsewhere, indicating it was already broken by the time troops went there.
4) Dixon's statements on FNC: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/28/13244.shtml
The evidence, from the fair and balanced reporting by the affiliate, disputes the national ABC spin on the story.
Ask Martha why her story was so biased when the facts don't support her conclusions.
Also write The Note: politicalunit@abcnews.com
Other ABC comments:
NY Phone: Phone: 212-456-7777
D.C. Bureau phone: 202-222-7777
General e-mail: netaudr@abc.com
ABC World News Tonight with Peter Jennings:
Phone: 212-456-4040
Fax: 212-456-2795
E-mail: netaudr@abc.com
And hit the NYT for their crap story:
E-mail: public@nytimes.com
Phone: (212) 556-7652
Uranium taken from Iraq without authorization
excerpt:
UNITED NATIONS -- The United States didn't have authorization from the U.N. nuclear watchdog when it secretly shipped from Iraq uranium and highly radioactive material that could be used in so-called ''dirty bombs,'' U.N. officials said Wednesday.
The nearly 2 tons of low-enriched uranium and approximately 1,000 highly radioactive items transferred from Iraq to the United States last month had been placed under seal by the International Atomic Energy Agency at the sprawling Tuwaitha nuclear complex, 12 miles south of Baghdad, the officials said.
~snip~
As I type this Frank Keating is on Fox saying this tape goes to "advantage Kerry". Oh brother. And Fox is clueless. And to think I, as a viewer, got the timeline from them (then verified in multiple publications). Too bad they have no memory of their own reports.
CNN NEWSNIGHT AARON BROWN 10/28/04
BROWN: OK, back to the explosives the who and when and the how of it all but on the question of when, as we saw at the top of the program, there is new information to factor in, pretty conclusive to our eye.
So, we'll sort through this now, take the politics out of it and try and deal with facts with former head U.N. weapons inspector -- U.S. weapons inspector David Kay. David, it's nice to see you.
DAVID KAY, FMR. U.S. WEAPONS INSPECTOR: Good to be with you, Aaron.
BROWN: I don't know how better to do this than to show you some pictures, have you explain to me what they are or are not, OK? First, I'll just call it the seal and tell me if this is an IAEA seal on that bunker at that munitions dump.
KAY: Aaron, as about as certain as I can be looking at a picture, not physically holding it, which obviously I would have preferred to have been there, that's an IAEA seal. I've never seen anything else in Iraq in about 15 years of being in Iraq and around Iraq that was other than an IAEA seal of that shape.
BROWN: And was there anything else at the facility that would have been under IAEA seal?
KAY: Absolutely nothing. It was he HMX, RDX, the two high explosives.
BROWN: OK. Now, I want to take a look at the barrels here for a second and you can tell me what they tell you. They obviously to us just show us a bunch of barrels. You'll see it somewhat differently.
KAY: Well, it's interesting. There were three foreign suppliers to Iraq of this explosive in the 1980s. One of them used barrels like this and inside the barrel is a bag. HMX is in powdered form because you actually use it to shape a spherical lens that is used to create the triggering device for nuclear weapons.
And, particularly on the videotape, which is actually better than the still photos, as the soldier dips into it that's either HMX or RDX. I don't know of anything else in al Qa Qaa that was in that form.
BROWN: Let me ask you then, David, the question I asked Jamie. In regard to the dispute about whether that stuff was there when the Americans arrived, is it game, set, match? Is that part of the argument now over?
KAY: Well, at least with regard to this one bunker and the film shows one seal, one bunker, one group of soldiers going through and there were others there that were sealed, with this one, I think it is game, set and match.
There was HMX, RDX in there. The seal was broken and quite frankly to me the most frightening thing is not only is the seal broken and the lock broken but the soldiers left after opening it up. I mean to rephrase the so-called (UNINTELLIGIBLE) rule if you open an arms bunker, you own it. You have to provide security.
BROWN: That raises a number of questions. Let me throw out one. It suggests that maybe they just didn't know what they had.
KAY: I think quite likely they didn't know they had HMX, which speaks to the lack of intelligence given troops moving through that area but they certainly knew they had explosives.
And to put this in context, I think it's important this loss of 360 tons but Iraq is awash with tens of thousands of tons of explosives right now in the hands of insurgents because we did not provide the security when we took over the country.
BROWN: Could you -- I'm trying to stay out of the realm of politics.
KAY: So am I. BROWN: I'm not sure you can necessarily. I know. It's a little tricky here but is there any reason not to have anticipated the fact that there would be bunkers like this, explosives like this and a need to secure them?
KAY: Absolutely not. For example, al Qa Qaa was a site of (UNINTELLIGIBLE) super gun project. It was a team of mine that discovered the HMX originally in 1991. That was one of the most well documented explosive sites in all of Iraq. The other 80 or so major ammunition storage points were also well documented.
Iraq had, and it's a frightening number, two-thirds of the total conventional explosives that the U.S. has in its entire inventory. The country was an armed camp.
BROWN: David, as quickly as you can because this just came up in the last hour, as dangerous as this stuff is, this would not be described as a WMD, correct?
KAY: Oh, absolutely not.
BROWN: Thank you.
KAY: And, in fact, the loss of it is not a proliferation issue.
BROWN: OK. It's just dangerous and it's out there and by your thinking it should have been secured.
KAY: Well, look, it was used to bring the Pan Am flight down. It's a very dangerous explosive, particularly in the hands of terrorists.
BROWN: David, thank you for walking me through this. I appreciate it, David Kay the former head U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq.
Should I vote for hanoi john?
Thanks. It's exactly as I surmised.
Kay was given an inaccurate premise and information and so his analysis is flawed.
No, that is not what I am saying at all. I addressed my post to cyncooper, because I told her last night that I would post the transcript when it came available. My post was actually to cyncooper.
Well, two days ago a lady on FNC (may have been E.D. Hill) stated that the IAEA said that the seals being intact is meaningless since access to the bunkers may be gained by simply unscrewing the ventilation doors. Anyone else hear this?
I saw brief clips of this videotape this morning on Fox, but the camera doesn't really focus on the barrels' and crates' labels well enough to determine what the soldiers are looking through. HMX and RMX are not the only munitions the Iraqis had stored there; there apparently were a lot of conventional arms as well, such as hand grenades, mortars, etc.
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