Seperated at Birth???
Posted on 10/28/2004 1:48:01 PM PDT by handy
Edited on 10/28/2004 2:16:36 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU OCT 28, 2004 17:02:35 ET XXXXX
TERROR TAPE WARN OF BUSH, CHENEY CONSEQUENCE; ABC WITHHELD PORTIONS FROM CIA
**Exclusive**
ABCNEWS withheld portions of an alarming new al Qaeda videotape which warns the next terror attack will dwarf 9/11 from the CIA when they submitted the video for analysis, a top federal source tells the DRUDGE REPORT.
The CIA and FBI late Wednesday authenticated the tape, federal sources tell DRUDGE. ABCNEWS has been informed of the government's standing.
"What took place on September 11 was but the opening salvo of the global war on America and that our Lord willing, the magnitude and ferocity of what is coming your way will make you forget all about September 11," the man, whose face is covered by a headdress, warns in the video. "After decades of American tyranny, now it's your turn to die."
ABCNEWS submitted portions of the video threat to the FBI and CIA on Monday for analysis, top government sources tell DRUDGE, after obtaining the tape from a source in Pakistan.
A top goverment source said from Washington that ABC withheld the final 15 minutes of the tape from the CIA -- the portion of the tape where the man warns of retribution for Americans electing Bush and Cheney.
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"You are guilty, guilty, guilty. You're as guilty as Bush and Cheney. You're as guilty as Rumsfeld and Ashcroft and Powell...," the man states.
He goes on to warn of an upcoming horror: "The streets will run with blood," and "America will mourn in silence" because they will be unable to count the number of the dead.
"People of America, that was the verdict now for the sentencing: as participants and partners in the crimes of the regime, you too shall pay the price for the blood that has been spilled."
One ABC source, who demanded anonymity, said Thursday morning, the network was struggling to find a correct journalistic "balance" before airing any story on the video.
"This is not something you just throw out there while people are voting," the ABC source explained.
You were heading down the right road, but you turned off at the wrong exit.
There was nothing wrong with ABC's transmitting the tape into the US.
But ABC was under obligation to turn the original tape over to the appropriate authorities, which would have been FBI or Homeland Security. The original might have contained forensic clues useful to FBI or HS.
Instead, ABC turned an edited copy over to the authorities, after removing 15 minutes that might have had a political impact. It was not ABC's province to make that decision or tamper with the evidence. This is where network employees crossed the line.
The fact that this was related to terrorism and not some petty crime puts it under PATRIOT.
I agree with you, cajungirl. If the President speaks out about this, the DIMS DU ..sses will scream that the President is trying to control the media.
Best watch this unfold......and watch Kerry go down. From the speeches I saw today, Kerry was stuttering and sputtering a bit.......
President Bush was strong. That is what the American people will see and vote for. Oh, I hope and pray.
I need to get some of those! What's the name?
I knew I veered off, but follow my logic.
Nothing forces something purchased (per another thread) by a presumed specially protected class (1st amendment can always get sticky, especially when dealing with a "legitimate" news organization) to be turned over to the US government, especially when the transaction has taken place in a foreign country. The transaction may have been between foreign nationals... Yes, I know there are portions of Patriot that address activities in foreign countries, but I think they are limited to banking or money laundering. The tape itself may have never made the trip from Pakistan to the US, though I do not know.
However, it's content was transmitted into the US, which is where an argument against the legality of intercepting the signal again is answered in Patriot. A legal intercept allows the US government to take jurisdiction, whereas an illegal intercept boots the thing out of court on the first round.
It's hard to argue for bad intent when it went to "a legitimate US news organization". Still, if the same feed was sent to a nefarious character, could it not be argued that the intent could be to "weaponize" it, by releasing it into the general population? We're wandering into equal protection territory here, so... I go back to making all of the content into contraband, an act of terror, which means no one can claim to have a right to legally claim it, to "own" it, to use it at will, even by a "legitimate media organization".
Failure to turn the entire thing over to the US government should be the only lawful action. I'm talking about any & all copies. Intent to disseminate, even a portion reaches into the most common example used to explain the limits on the 1st amendment, yelling fire in a crowded theater. Anything short of turning it over makes the news organization a partner in the crime, in this case an act of terrorism.
By George, I think you've got it!
Right, but we're talking an organization here, rather than the action of an individual. I want all involved to have heat to their feet, which is where I went RICO. It takes the resources of the entire criminal orginization to give the crime the impact to meet the original test (to intimidate or coerce a civilian population).
Amen. This is beyond outrageous.
Sounds like a tin foiler to me.
I thought he looked a little "padded". Also he referred to "my fellow countrymen".
Did the "guilty, guilty, guilty" part sound a little weird to anyone else?
It seems to me that abc broke the law big time.
The Cia, FBI and Homeland Security should have been notified immediatly.
This is beyond belief if true.
I wrote 'em all.
Ihave sent out 5 emails...but...they are not being accepted.
all of my mail to them bounced back
Re the 7mm mag.
About a decade ago, our oldest son bought his dream rifle, a Remington left handed 7mm (we both are the weirdo's, who are right handed and our dominant eye is our left eye).
He equipped it with a powerful Leopold Scope and sighted it in at 300+ yards.
Then, for years, every deer he shot, was within 10 yards. In fact one in S Utah damn near prevented me from being a Grandparent because its antlers in its dying fall narrowly missed a critical spot as it fell and died with its antlers between his legs. We measured the distance he shot the deer, it was 15'.
Finally a couple of years ago, he was hunting with a customer on a ranch owned by the customer down by Gilroy. They saw 4 bucks about 400 yards away. The client said the bucks knew where to stand and be safely out of range. My son laid down aimed and squeezed the trigger. Three bucks walked away. Finally his long range investment paid off.
>>If ABC did this, they really are the scum of the earth.
Disney owns gAyBC.
Mooselems love disney.
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Got Aladdin?
I read bin Laden is on tape on Al Jazeera, so there are two tapes floating around....this is all very bizarre.
I say we ignore both of them, and give them NO MEDIA COVERAGE. How hard is that? Just let them know they aren't running the US, we are. I would just keep them as far out of spotlight as possible...both tapes.
Yes, reverse psychology sometimes works,,,,but we must be diligent in trying to minimize these terrorists, in giving them less coverage, our military less coverage and they won't know what's coming or when. We NEED TO BE ON OFFENSIVE NOT DEFENSIVE.
My comments on reverse psychology don't apply to the Bin Laden tape today. My comments yesterday applied to another situation. I agree that we need to stay on offense. Why did Bin Laden show this video? It's simple. He's giving America a chance to "do the right thing" meaning vote for the man who would get off their backs. Remember, they were successful with Spain so why not try the same thing here? Bin Laden implies that if you don't change your policies, then we will attack. It's a threat!!!!!!!
Seperated at Birth???
It was my understanding they were going to attack anyway, in fact, didn't they say destroy the infidels...and America is the infidels. So WHY should we care what his stupid tape says....or is he flip flopping like Kerry. Osama said he was gonna attack if we didn't leave Iraq, and now if we don't elect Kerry. What is he a democratic spokesman now?
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