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The PR spin begins.


1 posted on 10/21/2004 6:55:36 AM PDT by pabianice
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Their husband's carreers are over. They have sealed their fate.


2 posted on 10/21/2004 6:56:39 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom ("Anyone who calls Moore a Dumb $#$@$ is okay with me." -areafiftyone)
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"Hello. I would like to be a soldier. I just want the government to promise that it will never send me on a dangerous mission. That's not asking too much, is it? My wife agrees with me, by the way. She says you're being mean to me."


4 posted on 10/21/2004 6:59:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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Kerrry's pro-terrorist stance ('wrong war, wrong place'etc) is eerily similar to his pro-Communist position during the 70s. And it is having a very similar effect.
5 posted on 10/21/2004 6:59:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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Wow, I guess the Soldiers that took their mission and successfully completed it are what?........courageous, stupid, or doing their duty for their fellow soldiers.<p. Enjoy your 15 minutes idiots.


6 posted on 10/21/2004 6:59:53 AM PDT by marty60
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If it was a "Suicide Mission", then why did 18 other members of the same unit make the run in their place with no problems?

This will become the race card event to be used against the president (only black and poor people are at risk of dying in Iraq).

Kerry's Vietnam redux continues.

7 posted on 10/21/2004 7:00:03 AM PDT by pfflier
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They put their fellow soldiers lives in danger because of their decision. A real soldier wouldn't do that.


8 posted on 10/21/2004 7:00:25 AM PDT by arichtaxpayer (We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.)
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Great. Two more ignorant mouths the media can use to spout any sort of drivel they want.
9 posted on 10/21/2004 7:00:58 AM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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“I’m his voice on the outside, and there is nothing the military can do about it.”

This lady apparently doesn't have a clue about how justice is arrived at in any court.

The court won't do anything to this lady...but her husband might pay a steeper
price for her public comments.

And there's probably nothing she can do about that.
11 posted on 10/21/2004 7:03:43 AM PDT by VOA
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What a bunch of whiners.
Better to BCD these idiots and let real soldiers get on with it.
13 posted on 10/21/2004 7:06:02 AM PDT by grobdriver
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Compare the coverage of this with the coverage when the soldier refused to serve under the UN flag back when Bildo was in office.

I don’t think he was given the benefit of the doubt, I think he was out in about a week. I could be mistaken, but a refused order is a refused order.

14 posted on 10/21/2004 7:06:03 AM PDT by mykroar ("Pearl Harbor" sucked . . . .and I miss you.)
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The plot line is becoming clear.


15 posted on 10/21/2004 7:06:56 AM PDT by snooker
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They want the world to know their husbands would not have refused an order unless it was a “suicide mission,” they said.

Of course they would have.

What do they think the military is? A grade school?

Soldiers do what they're told to do, and can only hope that their CO looks out for them. There's no democracy in the military, and these "soldiers", and their wives, should face that fact.

What's not being said is that other soldiers had to do the job their husbands wouldn't do. These other soldier's lives were put in harm's way, but they completed their "suicide" mission without incident.

20 posted on 10/21/2004 7:09:54 AM PDT by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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The last thing this country needs is an army with attitude.


21 posted on 10/21/2004 7:10:05 AM PDT by chukcha
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Cry me a river!

"Sarge, I am not going to get out of this landing craft on Omaha Beach, it is a suicide mission."

"Lieutenant, you have to be kidding, we have to hold Bastogne without proper cold weather clothing? I ain't going."

"Why should I fly support for those B-17s when "Jim Crow" tries to keep me down. Let someone else do it."

"Get someone else to drive 20 hours a day on this "Red Ball Express", it is just too dangerous."

"You mean we have to fly over Belin? That flak will cut us to pieces. It is just too dangerous. I won't fly."


22 posted on 10/21/2004 7:10:14 AM PDT by Jerry_M (I can only say that I am a poor sinner, trusting in Christ alone for salvation. -- Gen. Robt E. Lee)
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I heard something on the way in today about their commander being reassigned, lack of leadership, lack of discipline. She wasn't up to the job. They should all go break rocks for a few years.


23 posted on 10/21/2004 7:10:44 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Support John Kerry......... Ho Chi Minh would.)
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These troops had been in contact with Hackworth, who as we know is no friend of the President or the war in Iraq. Some of these problems might have existed, but from here, it looks like they waited until "the right moment" to make their move. This was designed to undercut the war, and the President. In another article I read earlier this morning, it was mentioned that many troops feel sympathy for these troops. That's not a good sign, at least not for military discipline.


24 posted on 10/21/2004 7:11:01 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers. :: Kerry promises, but Bush delivers!)
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“I didn’t think it would make the national news,” Patricia McCook said. “I knew it was going to be in The Clarion-Ledger because we went to you first. I sure didn’t think it was going to take on a life of its own like it has.”


Right.... navigating some of our interstates could be called a suicide mission. The mere fact that they got immediate messages from their hubbies gives credence that the hubbies were not under armed guard...
28 posted on 10/21/2004 7:16:14 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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They want the world to know their husbands would not have refused an order unless it was a “suicide mission,” they said.

Since when do soldiers get to decide which missions are safe enough to accept? The group who accomplished this mission without incident proves it wasn't a "suicide mission" which is a nonsense phrase in the context of war.

“I didn’t think it would make the national news,” Patricia McCook said. “I knew it was going to be in The Clarion-Ledger because we went to you first. I sure didn’t think it was going to take on a life of its own like it has.”

There is nothing more divisive to military discipline than a refusal to obey an order. When more than one individual does it in concert with each other it can be devastating to morale and contagious. Mutiny is the word that's usually applied to it. It threatens the integrity of the entire military force structure.

“I know how the military can cover things up,” said Patricia McCook, a former Army reservist. “They are trying to say our husbands and the others were never arrested or detained. That’s a lie. But this is something we are not going to let them sweep under the rug.”

The only denial cited in this article is a denial that they are being held under armed guard not that they haven't been arrested or detained. Why they wouldn't be arrested, detained and held under armed guard is beyond me.

31 posted on 10/21/2004 7:17:42 AM PDT by TigersEye (Free speech! It's not just for Democrats anymore!)
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One of the soldiers being investigated, Patricia McCook said she is considering contacting an attorney, and has sought help from her local congressman, Representative Bennie Thompson of Mississippi. Thompson, a Democrat, said today that he will seek a congressional investigation into the matter.
35 posted on 10/21/2004 7:23:38 AM PDT by kcvl
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No question that the media will use this if they can. In fact I'm surprised they haven't made more of it than they have.

I too will reserve judgment. However, I still suspect that the problem originated in an incompetent officer. It's one thing to risk your life if every step is taken to minimize the danger, and it's another to risk it because your commander is stupid. I suspect the second.

Refusing to obey a direct order is still not an option. But in the fog of war there have always been exceptional situations where the men had to get rid of an incompetent officer, one way or another.

Pure speculation. But I wouldn't rush to judgment on these sergeants or their wives. Yes, the wives will be used by the media if possible. But you can't blame them for sticking up for their husbands, especially if their husbands were right. A smart officer listens to experienced noncoms. He still is responsible for making decisions, but if he's smart he'll listen.


36 posted on 10/21/2004 7:24:52 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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