Posted on 10/13/2004 9:48:00 AM PDT by MindBender26
Kerry Lost Security Clearance!
Just spoke with reporter friend in DC. She is talking with former USN ONI types who worked on DOD/USN investigation that resulted in total loss of Kerry’s Navy security clearance.
Kerry had been granted a Top Secret by the Navy on October 11, 1967 based on a routine background investigation by Office of Naval Intelligence. A top secret clearance was required for his work at that time.
Obtaining and holding a security clearance of any level, especially TS or above, requires certain terms, obligations, commitments and conditions from the holder. One of the most important is the holder of the clearance must promptly and fully any contacts with any foreign officials, agents, etc.
Lieutenant Kerry left active duty with the Navy on January 3, 1970, but he still carried those obligations as a commissioned officer of the Naval Reserve. Without telling anyone and without receiving permission from superiors,FBI or counter-intelligence officers, he traveled to Paris in the summer of 1970. He claimed the purpose of his trip was a honeymoon with his first wife, Julia Thorne, but there was another hidden purpose.
Numerous North Vietnamese and Viet Cong intelligence agents and officials were in Paris, having arrived a year earlier for the “Peace Talks.” While in Paris, Kerry met with agents on a number of occasions and had extensive discussions with them about U.S. plans, procedures and how to get the U.S. to essentially surrender in Vietnam.
These clandestine meetings were never reported to the Navy.
Almost a year later, in April 1091, speaking as the leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against The War, Lieutenant Kerry told a Senate hearing about his meetings with enemy agents. Senior DOD officials wanted to prosecute him as a Naval Reserve officer for violating a number of laws and regulations, but this was vetoed by the Nixon White House. They didn’t want to give the anti-war crowd any additional PR ammunition.
However, the Navy immediately pulled Kerry’s security clearance. He became a Naval Reserve officer who was known not to be trusted. He kept his commission, but lost all access to any classified information. In the words of one of the now-retired agents, “Lieutenant Kerry wasn’t cleared to know what time it was!”
The bottom line is, Kerry was on the Intelligence Committee of the Senate after the Paris fiasco and another trip to support the Moscow-backed Sandinistas in Nicaragua.
Today, he couldn’t get a security clearance to pull KP duty, but he wants to be Commander in Chief of all our military in the War on Terrorism!
THIS SHOULD BE ALL OVER THE NEWS!!!!!!
"You have to have Top Secret Clearance to be a Commander in Chief, if I am not mistaken."
If that were the case, we wouldn't have had Clinton/Gore.
I think you're right--I kind of remember seeing something about nukes, didn't connect it with the Gridley but that'd make sense. I was trying to look it up a minute ago but my CD-ROM with the files on it is being finicky. But based on my memory, that sounds plausible.
Did he say anything else to back this up and how he knows this to be fact??
For this story to go anywhere ... there needs to be confirmation
I posted Kerry's two DD214s, which are prepared when you are released from active duty, not discharged. They are not as you indicated, "his transfer to active duty", but just the opposite.
I read somewhere that the documents showed requests for translators to handle huge volume of intel in Arabic. The requests were "ignored" by Clinton admin. But, I may be wrong...
can I be on your list please? be gentle with me, I've never been pinged before.Most certainly.
And welcome to FreeRepublic.com .....
LoL
3.4.4. The authority for a member's transfer or discharge will be cited by reference to the appropriate Military Service regulation, instruction, or manual, followed by the appropriate separation program designator on copies 2, 4, 7, and 8 only. A narrative description to identify the reason for transfer or separation will not be used on copy 1.
Which copy does findlaw have on display?
I only see one DD-214, and it's dated in august of 1966. It says he's discharged from OCS, accepting a commission, and entering active duty.
Read it more carefully.
3.1.2. The DD Form 214, once issued, will not be reissued except:
3.1.2.1. When directed by appropriate appellate authority, Executive Order, or by the Secretary concerned.
hahahahaaa!Yeah, I saw that. Here is the one I really liked:
To: Zavien DoombringerI put that darn tag in there, not sure why it didn't show up.
I learned my lesson a month ago with the "Mohammed is a pedophile" thread.
It won't happen again, especially considering I can barely see all of my pings!
hehe! Darned those missing < /sarcasm > tags anyway !! :^D
Doesn't matter. A Top Secret clearance is a Top Secret clearance. Classified is classified. However, as a senator, he does not have a clearance - neither congressmen nor the president are given clearances for access to the information they are routinely given. They are simply honor-bound to protect the sanctity of the information they are given. Neither Kerry nor Clinton would be capable of passing the background investigation that I and thousands of others have had to go through.
Okay, now I see the second one. That's his transfer to the Naval Reserve, which took effect in 1970.
Kerry's inactive reserve obligation ended on July 1, 1972 when he was then transferred into the Standby Reserves. Kerry served his three years active and three years inactive per his agreement.
So, even a 1978 date is too late for a regular discharge date, and 1978 still pints to an irregular discharge, and a pardon by Jimmy Carter more likely from a BCD or General under other than honerable discharge.
On July 1, 1972 Kerry was transferred from the Inactive Reserves (subject to recall, but no drill obligation), to the Standby Reserves. Similarly, I was transferred into the Standby Naval Reserves in November 1972 after resigning my commission and being released from active duty in November of that year. I did not receive my Honorable Discharge until Feb 16, 1978, the same date as Kerry. I received the same letter as Kerry.
The Navy has a board, which meets annually I believe, that decides what officers should be retained in the Standby Reserves or removed and given an Honorable Discharge. The decision is based on skills and Navy personnel requirements. Officers are involuntarily separated as a standard procedure.
I don't buy your theory of a less than honorable discharge based on my personal knowledge and experience with the Navy reserve system, which was contemperaneous with Kerry's service.
MindBender26,
DO The Swift Boat Vets Know About This???
They Should, and a New Ad about this ought to be Broadcast across America...IMMEDIATELY!
SUPPORT THE SWIFT BOAT VETS...AND VOTE BUSH / CHENEY OUR TROOPS, OUR LIVES AND FAMILIES DEPEND ON A BUSH / CHENEY VICTORY!
"What a twit."
hehe! Says he made a boo-boo. See my last post, #472 .....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1243912/posts?page=472#472
I don't recall seeing that in the Constitution . . .
I have found that I was mistaken.
You can check the copy of te DD214 yourself, but block 11C cites his Bupers order and the phrase "Strength & Adjustment."
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