URGENT!!!!H.R. 163 Draft BILL Scheduled FOR VOTE!!!!

WTMJ Radio | 10/5/2004 | fanningp

[fanningp]

Just heard on the radio (Charlie Sykes) that H.R. 163 (Rangel D-NY) Draft Bill, is scheduled for a vote tonight between 6pm-7pm. Wanna Bet EVERY House Republican votes AGAINST IT?

[Non-Sequitur]

You sure about that? Last I heard the bill was still bottled up in committee. The only way it would get out of there would be if Republicans voted it to the floor. And they wouldn't be, couldn't be that stupid. Could they?

[claudiustg]

It couldn't happen to a more worthy bunch! :^)

[claudiustg]

Stupid is as stupid does.

[MOgirl]

Hello,

This eliminates the prospective of having the "Bush has a Secret Plan to draft our Kids..." portion of the debate. The timing of this is brilliant! Wow!

Glad to be here, MOgirl

[Old Sarge]

Ah, but it wouldn't attract at all - it would enforce.

And we on the Green Suit all agree - we don't ever want one. We don't need it - the all-volunteer force has been doing the job.

[Colonel_Flagg]

You got that right.

[Soul Seeker]

This isn't stupidity if Republicans don't vote for it.

Bringing up the Bill, having it noted Dems authored it, then soundly defeating it takes away the sting of the draft rumors.

[Howlin]

Here's one guy for it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1235723/posts

[Sooth2222]

"A majority of the enlisted recruits come from the lowest economic classes, a fact Rangel believes makes it easy for the middle and upper classes to support war, because it is not their children at risk."

Thought that had been pretty much debunked, too. US military is better educated and higher income than the US population as a whole and minorities are under, not over-represented in elite combat units. Don't see how bringing standards down would make the military more egalitarian. Rangel or not, I'd rather have people who want to be doing a job do it than people who don't want to be doing a job, when it comes to our doctors or our military!

[ASA Vet]

The only way it would get out of there would be if Republicans voted it to the floor.
And they wouldn't be, couldn't be that stupid. Could they?

Watch for the DemoncRATs MSM spin,

"Republicans force consideration of the draft!"

[claudiustg]

Big difference between a grubby little draft to fill in the ranks and universal service.

[DRILL SGT. D]

"I heard Rangel brought this up so as to stir up folks against the Iraq War."


Yes and no. I was watching t.v. and saw him present this. I'm sure it was a way to stir folks up against the war, but he presented it slightly differently than it has been portrayed.

He ranted that minorities are dying in disproportionate numbers in Iraq because they are forced to join the military of a country that doesn't want them if they want to escape the horrible life that they are all leading.

He claimed that a draft would force the rich white kids to fight and die for their country as well.

I think it was Glenn Beck who did the research that I heard on the radio...according to the military the percentages in which the ethnicities were dying in Iraq at the time were almost EXACTLY matching their percentages of the U.S. population as a whole. Actually, blacks had a 1% advantage when it came to the death percentages.

It was just Rangel demagoguing and attempting to whip the country into a frenzy about the racist nature of the war.

[BigSkyFreeper]

The bill is nothing more than stillborn. This bill and it's sponsor are a complete waste of time.

[Howlin]

Characterize it anyway you want to; Kerry and Keyes still favor involuntary servitude.

[BigSkyFreeper]

...Since the MSM (CBS) has not done anything but promulgate the lie about President Bush bringing back the draft, the Repubs are doing it for them!!

Also known as, rope-a-dope.

[BigSkyFreeper]

This entire chicanery has been created by the Democrats in congress so they can use it as a campaign and email propaganda issue.

Well, they are trying to re-acquire power. To say the Republicans are pushing for the bill's passage only sends the wrong signal to the American people and create the myth that the Republicans are cold and heartless souls and should be smoked out of DC. That's the intent of the bill.

[G.Mason]

" I heard Rangel brought this up so as to stir up folks against the Iraq War."

If one has read about Charlie "I was in Korea" Rangle, or seen him spew his pathetic drivil on the MSM shows, one could not help but know that Rangle not only brought this up, but why.

To turn the American people against the war.

Charlie is not an American, he is a Democrat.

[airborne]

The bill is nothing more than stillborn. This bill and it's sponsor are a complete waste of time.

It is an opoportunity to put this "Draft B.S." to rest, and show the public that it's a dirty DemocRAT trick.

[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks. I had heard that he was pulling the race card out as well,
but wasn't sure exactly how to phrase it.

Thanks!

[stocksthatgoup]

From the Tuesday, October 5, 2004 issue:

Military draft issue a red herring

> During a campaign stop last week in West Palm Beach, Fla., Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry was asked if he thought President Bush would revive the military draft if re-elected.

"Is it possible?" Kerry replied. "I can't answer that."

During an appearance one week earlier in Parkersburg, W.Va., Kerry ticket-mate John Edwards was similarly queried about the draft. And rather than declaring it a non-issue, he simply responded, "There will be no draft when John Kerry is president."

Kerry and Edwards are playing to the fears of young Americans of ostensible draft age, as well as their parents, who have been hearing the bogus rumor that Bush has some secret plan to abandon the all-volunteer military in favor of conscripted service.

According to the false rumors, the Selective Service System has been given $28 million to prepare for the draft, and is secretly hiring 10,000 people for draft boards across the country. The rumor originated on the Internet, ginned up by hardcore activist groups dedicated to turning Bush out of the White House by any means possible. It has since been given undeserved legitimacy by CBS News, in a report aired last week.

CBS presented the story of Beverly Cocco, whom it portrayed as some sort of Everymom. "Beverly is petrified about the military draft," according to CBS, "and she's not alone. Mass e-mails are circulating among worried parents."

What CBS did not let on is that Cocco herself bears some responsibility for those mass e-mails. For she is the chapter president of an advocacy group, People Against the Draft, which not only opposes conscription, but also advocates pulling the troops out of Iraq.

That aside, every top official in the Bush administration -- including the president, vice president, secretary of state and secretary of defense -- has unequivocally stated there will be no revival of the draft.

In fact, the only proposals that the draft be revived have come from Democrats in Congress, which ultimately would have to approve a decision to conscript America's sons and daughters into involuntary military service. Those include a bill introduced last year by Sen. Ernest Hollings, D-S.C., which would have reinstated the draft, and companion legislation introduced in the House by Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., Jim McDermott, D-Wash., John Lewis, D-Ga., Pete Stark, D-Calif., and Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawaii.

Neither President Bush nor Sen. Kerry, nor, for that matter, the vast majority of lawmakers on Capitol Hill have any intention of reinstituting the military draft. That's why the draft issue really is a red herring in this year's presidential election.

-- The San Diego Union-Tribune