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FR Live Thread: Bush Kerry - First Debate - Thread 2 - Here we go!

Posted on 09/30/2004 5:57:19 PM PDT by Admin Moderator

Thread 1 - Pre-Debate discussion


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; debate; debates; electionpresident; firstdebate; globalpoints; kerry
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To: RasterMaster
Then Kerry bringing up N. Korean nukes when it was Clinton & democrats who gave them away.

Yes, Kerry's position on Korea is terribly weak. I didn't know Kerry's position was bilateral talks with Kim Jong-it's a terribly weak position to take, especially when you're claiming to be agressive on the war on terror. I'm suprised Kerry brought it up. I think Bush's handling of the argument was one of his best from the whole debate.
3,181 posted on 09/30/2004 9:11:45 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: rintense

>>It was at the beginning of the debate.<<

Can we get that information out to anyone?
It would be a hoot if we learned that SKerry had the questions and GWB did not!


3,182 posted on 09/30/2004 9:12:12 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: In The Defense of Liberty

No drama, Prairie.. just raw truth. We can't spin this one.. GW lost it.. he was indecisive, weak, and wavering in his voice and demeanor. And he lost that 17% with his performance. This race is tight.. and he blinked bigtime.

I hate it. I'm sick about it. But it's the truth... the dem's have the momentum now and it will be h*ll to get it back, if we ever can. After the election you can call me a "drama queeen", but not before.



I agree entirely.

I thought that I'd see Bush land some punches. But I saw a Kerry TKO on technique, never mind that Kerry had to lie and deceive to land punches.


3,183 posted on 09/30/2004 9:12:17 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Howlin

I just heard Carl Cameron on FOX say the dems were going to release clips of Bush making faces tomorrow, but I thought I heard someone reading rules for the debate prior to its start saying that no clips could be used of the debates by either party. Anyone have more info?

Also, I feel the biggest thing that hurt Bush is this debate was during his bedtime. He gets up so darn early and you all know that if you are used to getting up at the same time everyday it is impossible to change you sleep wake cycle in just a few days. Does anyone know if all debates will be at this same time?

I also don't agree with the people that think Jim Leher's questions were fair. I thought they were questions meant to put Bush on the defensive and give Kerry an open door for his rhetoric. A good question might have been to Kerry "There have been no new attacks on American soil since 9/11. Doesn't this back up Bush's contention it is better to fight the terrorists in their own backyard rather than here?"


3,184 posted on 09/30/2004 9:12:21 PM PDT by Reb Raider
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To: MichelleWSC

"Right or wrong the media is still a mighty powerful spin machine and they were the main reason Bush 41 was defeated."

Ross Perot was the reason Bush Sr lost reelection. You're a troll.


3,185 posted on 09/30/2004 9:12:25 PM PDT by marajade
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To: Robert_Paulson2
and I had to ask myself, what the HELL did he just say,

LOL. My husband and I did the same thing. We were paying attention, too. He went from one thought right into another, like even he forgot what he was talking about. He never did answer a question. LOL.

3,186 posted on 09/30/2004 9:12:52 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: bunnyfoofoo
I guess I'm being superficial but it just really struck me as weird.

I thought so too, very ochestrated. I found it creepy that someone could be that on. The memorized dates, facts, years, etc. combined with the choreographed hand moves, throw in the manic writing while Bush was talking, almost like he was trying to appear scholarly. Weird.

But then, I found it odd that the President went into a debate armed only with five talking points.

3,187 posted on 09/30/2004 9:12:55 PM PDT by riri
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To: Rokke

I see exactly what you were saying now. Very good points and I agree with your assessment.


3,188 posted on 09/30/2004 9:12:55 PM PDT by cyncooper (Have I mentioned lately that I despise the media?)
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To: bunnyfoofoo
I guess I'm being superficial but it just really struck me as weird.

I thought so too, very ochestrated. I found it creepy that someone could be that on. The memorized dates, facts, years, etc. combined with the choreographed hand moves, throw in the manic writing while Bush was talking, almost like he was trying to appear scholarly. Weird.

But then, I found it odd that the President went into a debate armed only with five talking points.

3,189 posted on 09/30/2004 9:12:56 PM PDT by riri
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To: bunnyfoofoo

I agree his hand gestures were annoying. But I was really getting confused trying to figure out where his right eye was looking and his left eye. I think he was trying to talk to the moderator most of the time while trying to get his left eye to peak at Bush.

Bush spoke to the camera (which brings him into the living room). I swear I don't think these people watched the same debate that I watched.


3,190 posted on 09/30/2004 9:13:09 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: RasterMaster

Word on FOX was that the Kerry clowns are going to use the outtakes from tonight of Bush as he seemed annoyed etc to use in an ad professing Bush still refuses to take responsiblilty for the war..wrong war, wrong time, wrong way etc...


3,191 posted on 09/30/2004 9:13:15 PM PDT by celtic gal ( .wish we could put Rush up against Kerry...)
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To: jd777
He started fantastic.


I thought the Bush performance stunk from the beginning. He didn't touch Kerry for about a half hour.
3,192 posted on 09/30/2004 9:13:17 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Admin Moderator
National defense should be Bush's strongest point, and he should have been able to really hammer Kerry on it, but he didn't. Kerry left himself wide open on ridiculous claims again and again, and Bush didn't call him on it.

If he barely manages a wash in a topic we ought to win, I am worried to see what happens with the next two.

3,193 posted on 09/30/2004 9:13:32 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: MichelleWSC
Right or wrong the media is still a mighty powerful spin machine

I agree. BUT!!!! WE are more educated than we were four years ago. WE can turn this around WITHOUT that $%#$^%$^ media.

3,194 posted on 09/30/2004 9:14:02 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Beelzebubba
I thought that I'd see Bush land some punches.

Apparently, Joe Lockhart saw Bush landing punches:

DRUDGE: C-SPAN Secretly Tapes Lockhart Saying Debate Was A Draw

3,195 posted on 09/30/2004 9:14:11 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (We ARE the New Media.)
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To: wardaddy

That I have. :-)


3,196 posted on 09/30/2004 9:14:15 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: schouston
I don't think I have ever seen such a lopsided debate. Bush has lost his footing if he ever had it. Kerry supported every decision made and is not being held accountable. Bush sounds like a high school cheerleader speaking against a seasoned veteran. It is most regrettable.

Foldercarb or is it boulderfarb, Does anyone remember Starbuck on Battlestar Galactica. Help me here! According to Dick Morris, Bush won on substance, Kerry on style. Morris said that Bush looked distracted during the first 20 minutes.

I didn't watch the debate, I was in another room praying for Bush. My husband watched and said that Bush didn't lose anything and Kerry didn't win anything. He agrees with Dick Morris, that Bush won on substance.

In my opinion, substance is what is all about. Style is forgotten, real people look and remember substance. All of us probably need to freep some polls just

3,197 posted on 09/30/2004 9:14:29 PM PDT by rotundusmaximus (")
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Not poorly but he certainly didn't blow Kerry away.

From your screen name, you wouldn't happen to live in Hampton, would you? LOL.

3,198 posted on 09/30/2004 9:14:35 PM PDT by Lee Shore (Oy, vay!)
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To: MichelleWSC
I have to disagree, I thought it was Bush's best performance in any debate. In the Gore debates he was good, but tonight he was brilliant.
3,199 posted on 09/30/2004 9:14:58 PM PDT by GROOVY
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To: Dan from Michigan
"BTW - WTF is a global test?"

It's painting your face orange and see whether you get a thumbs up or a thumbs down from the countries of the world.

3,200 posted on 09/30/2004 9:14:58 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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