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Bush — born again, or not? (Desperate Media Alert)
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Posted on 09/29/2004 2:34:53 PM PDT by truthandlife

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Thank The Lord Jesus he didn't have the same "born again" experience Jimmy Carter had!! I can just imagine how that went.... Now Jimmy, would you like to confess your sin to Christ and ask for His forgiveness? UHH, let me check with the U.N. first!!


41 posted on 09/29/2004 8:32:52 PM PDT by oldpath (Just when I got my degree in political Science, I need one for political Psychiatry. Those dems!)
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To: TwoWolves
I hope your evidence for this accusation is well founded in facts that can be verified outside of this little conspiracy theory book.

I'm glad you stated your response as such. You see, I've no evidence in my hand, no more evidence in my had that the Bible is true, than I that this "theory" book is real. I simply watched the video, listened to the cassettes, and knew in my heart thru prayer that the researchers that published it did the job God would have governed them to do!

For I'd say 98% of the knowledge and expositions thru Brother Texe Marrs and others I've come across in the past ten years, have only been echoed by the truth of their sharings via media & current events!

42 posted on 09/29/2004 8:52:43 PM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: Mr. Lucky
You say Preposterous, and bizarre. But isn't truth usually that!?

Evidence, I see you believe by sight and hearing. So do I sometimes.

But somethings you believe in, thru faith, faith that when God answers your prayers of discernment and concern, that I should expect set-backs. Maybe I promote a Free Republic, however, I will not promote a man who holds such Allegations, and ones he and his father have held for years. I've been reading about the Bush family for over ten years now. And almost every act that "Junior" has made, was predicted or foretold!

Evidence? Read the books, research the author, and decide for yourself. Don't just believe what you see, pray, and believe with your heart!

Later

43 posted on 09/29/2004 8:56:51 PM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: truthandlife
Any discussion of President Bush’s presumed evangelicalism is complicated

Especially for NON-Christians. So pipe down and start respecting our President's personal beliefs. (Like you always do for muslims)

44 posted on 09/29/2004 9:01:54 PM PDT by Libertina (10 Little Lying MSM Networks. CBS went down, and soon there'll be none!)
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To: truthandlife

Who cares? We're not electing a minister or a pope.


45 posted on 09/29/2004 9:03:55 PM PDT by jimfree (Executive, CIC, Inspirational Leader, that's all.)
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To: Lexinom; TwoWolves; Mr. Lucky; JesseHousman; RonPaulLives
Yes, you are correct in your ministering words, Lexinom!

However, God does obligate us to using discernment in decision making; about people, and general lifestyle decisions. I think it would be glorifying to God, that we look into our hearts for the Scriptures we've read, and know what He would have us do.

I don't believe in the media, I listen to the media; I listen to my conscience, and I believe in the predictions of Daniel, and Revelations(and the likes of them).

And for all those that think my critical remark is "Blasphemous" to the President and the Free Republican site, I say, hmmmmm. . .

If you are a Christian, you know their is a Satan, but you do not believe in that thing, for it isn't right. And as an American, I will also decide as a Christian if evil, sin, and corruption is amongst me, for the Lord showed it to me when I repented of it! Therefore, it's not preposterous, nor evil that I speak against Bush and his daddy in this way. It is the truth. And if the truth is so hard to believe, then, what can I say!

Zap away, but it won't do any good. Eventually the whole world will know about the "Dark Side" of the Bush family like the world knows the lifely dirt dug up all over the Clintons, Roosevelts, Kennedys and others!

I also notice, only people who disagree respond, maybe you should do the research of my post before you so blatantly jump at my jugular!?

PLEASE?

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RPL, did I hang myself with this one?

46 posted on 09/29/2004 9:08:11 PM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: George W. Bush
It is a little odd to see a Christian who only quotes from the Old Testament.

Not really. GWB is very conscious of being perceived as too "fundamental" so he quotes from the OT because it appeals to Jews and Evangelicals at the same time. I believe that after his Presidency is completed, GWB will disclose more of his personal faith, not unlike Reagan, who held public proclamations of his faith close until near/after death, when disclosed by others.

47 posted on 09/29/2004 9:08:18 PM PDT by NewLand (Pajama Patriot on patrol at Free Republic since the 20th Century!)
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To: JesseHousman
Well, I'm not into devil worship, but I don't worship false teachers, and false leaders either. How dare you stop my freedom of speech on this site.

How dare any of you that alerted that my post be removed. It was totally true, but some people, Christian, Catholics, Muslims, Republican or Democrat "WHOEVER" wouldn't know the plain truth if it slapped them in the face.

What a disgrace? I'm shocked. I'm really shocked!

According to the constitution, and to most "uneducated" Americans, there's to be a "Separation of Church and State". Guess that never occured to anyone in this site, that allows to go on and on here!

Then again, if any President (over 90% belong to the Free Masonsand the Illuminate) were to omit to the Country the secret lifestyles they lived, would we vote for them? NO

Just like if early on, the liberals would've started pushing Pro-Choice, or Pro-homosexuality (or other anti-Biblical morals), years ago, they would have been silenced by death, or sent out of the country. Now it's okay, but is it considered an evil now??

How much harder to believe in that the Bohemian Grove exists, or that hundred of thousands of Politicians, Celebrities and evangelists have been participants(over the last 80 years)? Not any harder than it would have been to believe(back in the 50's) that Abortion or homosexuality would be a discussion by a bunch of Free republican citizens!

So when do we stop letting the blatant and outright scandalous truth to so viciously rape our minds and conceptions of our Government and it's leaders??????

HUH?

I'm a Christian by rebirth, and an American by birth, and a Republican by choice. I AM NOT A POLITICIAN and I won't jeopardize my conscience and reputation for those that would participate in the centuries old organizations/evil societies such as Big Skull & Bones, or a member of the Illuminate or Free Masons! If the only choices we have for President is Bush, Gore, Kerry, Jackson, and on and on, out of consideration, I'll vote in the Republican Party, however, that doesn't mean I liked the choices, I just made the more convenient one that somewhat lined up with my moral beliefs and lifestyle obligations as a Christian. God forgive me, I had no other choice of vote!

48 posted on 09/29/2004 9:28:19 PM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: JesseHousman; CourtneyLeigh
Secret societies have always held a prominent though circumspect position in American politics dating back to the beginning. Whether Bush is a member of such a society, as CL has suggested, ought to be weighed on its own merits. It should not shock us, however.

The FreeMasons (I will get flamed for this) have held an enormously influential role in politics. Some of us belong to denominations that forbid lodge membership and union membership (being unequally yoked). Insofar as these organizations perform some good they are praiseworthy; where they undermine the one and only Triune God, they are as damnable as any others.

49 posted on 09/29/2004 9:49:27 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom
So that's what Flaming is, getting silenced for sharing our beliefs?
Oh My Word!

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.Give it up for Brother Lexinom!
;o)

50 posted on 09/29/2004 10:14:13 PM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: CourtneyLeigh

No, being censored is being silenced for sharing your beliefs. Being flamed is being vigorously (perhaps even abusively) opposed after sharing your beliefs.

I don't think that anyone here is seriously questioning your Christianity. It's just that most of us have seen and even read "conspiracy literature" before, and we're skeptical of the claims that it advances.

Researching the claims made in the video/cassettes that you advocate is just something that most of us don't have time for.

And if you're not satisfied with any of the people on the ballot, you're perfectly free to write in whomever you please. You can write in Pat Boone, Franklin Graham, or whoever suits your fancy.


51 posted on 09/29/2004 11:12:40 PM PDT by TwoWolves (The only kind of control the liberals don't want is self control.)
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To: truthandlife

The problem here is that some people assume that everyone must have the "born-again" experience, complete with the warm fuzzie feelings. This may happen for some people, but not for all. There are many christian people I know who claim to never have had that experience where the world seems to move, but yet they walk a christian walk and live a christian life. It is not for us to judge another person's heart, but to observe the "fruits" of their labors. What is important is to continue to live one's life in a way which is pleasing to God. I think true dedication to God is continuing everyday to live one's life this way, even when there is no "come to Jesus" feeling. I think that our president seems to me to be living a life which reflects his deep faith in God and dedication to Jesus Christ. May God bless him in his walk.


52 posted on 09/29/2004 11:25:22 PM PDT by spotbust1 (Gun control is when you use both hands.)
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To: spotbust1

You are absolutely correct about this. See Post #33. It is not a "decision" that saves, but a miracle. The miracle can happen as an infant just as it can to someone in the sunset of their life. God is free and sovereign.


53 posted on 09/29/2004 11:33:49 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: truthandlife
I am one of those people whose faith wobbles some. At one moment I'm Catholic or Lutheran. At another time I might consider myself a deist (I am not nor have ever been agnostic).

I remember Low Life Bubba walking into church on TV every Sunday with his little bible in his chubby hand. What a two faced sack of crap. I know enough about the Bible to know, "When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men.

I can't judge George W Bush's relationship with Christ. I do think though that I'm a pretty good judge of the character of men. When I listen to THIS PRESIDENT talk about his faith, or when I see him go into a church I don't get that feeling in my gut that some might have gotten watching the pharisees on street corners 2000 years ago.

Not only do I trust this man more than any President since Reagan, it pisses me off to the core than anybody would question his faith.

There is no doubt in my mind that President Bush knows the Lord better than most of us. This country is blessed by God to have him in the White House.

54 posted on 09/29/2004 11:44:41 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Lexinom
I never have understood the fear of the FreeMasons by Christian patriots. Almost all of the founders were Masons and most of the symbols and oaths we take as citizens of America are in some way connected to Masonry.

Most of the Texan founders were Masons.

How can we curse Masons and then love the country THEY founded and Wrote the laws for?

There are 2 major sticking points for Christians about the Masons. First, they have secrets, and second, they don't have to profess CHRIST as God. They must believe IN God. Masonry is NOT a religion and they stress that over and over if you are a candidate. It is not meant to interfere or substitute for your personal worship. It cannot interfere with you family life also. They stress over and over that it comes second behind worship, family, and citizenship. It is designed to make a better man from a good man. You cannot be considered unless you are already an upstanding citizen. That is why they have extensive background checks. Most Mason haters I know are mad because they were turned down.

A Catholic could be welcomed as a Mason, but a Mason could never be Catholic because their denomination forbids secrets from the Church, ergo the church forbids it, not the Masons. My church is about half Masons, but the other half quote scriptures about secrets and shining light on dark things, etc. If my being a Mason offends a brother, I am admonished to not be a stumbling block for him, ergo I no longer attend meetings or pay dues. While I was a Mason, though, I found it to be rewarding and found no harm in what they did. I even have had Christians tell me that they taught salvation by works, to which I reply "What work's are you doing to glorify God?" Masons do allot of good and I have seen and been a member of churches that spend all their time and money on the building committee.

56 posted on 09/30/2004 12:04:09 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: CourtneyLeigh
How dare you stop my freedom of speech on this site.

Freedom of speech has become such a farce that I can't believe anyone with a modicum of intelligence would post such a statement. It (Freedeom of Speech) has become so ridiculous that it protects evil, lecherous pornogrphers like Larry Flynt, etc. It was intended to protect polite discourse about politicians and politics in general.

What you posted amounts to wanting others to believe an obvious and odious lie. You can read your evil books, but most of us know that you're only parroting a line espoused by a nut-case. If you've actually seen events such as this actually occuring and have documented attendees entering the site, then that's a different matter.

People entering an abortion clinic to sinfully and selfishly have innocent babies murdered by satanic "doctors" for the sake of birth control is an evil that is ongoing and documentable. That indeed amounts to a "human sacrifice" in order that one not be inconvenienced by caring for something as precious as a God-given gift of innocent life. What you direct attention to is a libelous book that is intended to discredit decent people by accusing them of participating in human sacrifice.

Recently another nut-case wrote a book(s) about George H. W. Bush being a reptile who was an alien from another planet plus other unmentional insane ravings. I believe that amounts to exactly what you have posted and have purported to be the truth.

Back to curtailing your freedom of speech on this site, please be aware that this site is not a street corner; rather it's owned and operated by a private individual for members to post and discuss such events and articles that are far removed from lunatic ravings.

57 posted on 09/30/2004 3:21:00 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: chuckles

Some of the finest men I've ever met have been Masons and many of my closest friends are. I've been invited to join but I declined because of other time committments.
Many of my Mason friends are Shriners and the the only "evil" that they do is to ride funny little bikes and raise money for childrens hospitals and burn centers.


58 posted on 09/30/2004 3:57:43 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: JesseHousman
You obviously see that most "evils" are documented before they are exposed. Paganism in government has been going since before the Roman Empire during Christ's days on earth. And abortion has been going on as before that too, I'm sure.

The Constitution does NOT protect the politicians and federal government, nope, it was written to protect the citizens from capitalism, and the type of dictatorship government The People left behind in Europe!
Then again, I'm one of those crazy Americans that actually believe this country was originally founded by God for His people, for His Reason, For His Purpose, in His timing!

So actually it wouldn't be such a far-fetched acclamation that our wonderfully (g)od fearing Presidents be involved in such (Luciferic)Ludicrous acts of evil. If you want documentation, there's more than just that book my dear Freeper JesseHousman. The book is only a collaboration of information based off of actual video/photo/audio & signed confessions of the truth about the lifestyle of a Bohemian Grove Society Event/act, and members!

I'd like to deny that it's a lie, since I've been reading about it for years. And my source isn't the only one out there talking about it!

But if you're so busy as to not look it up yourself, read, and understand, I guess for one man/woman, I can go to those lengths. I don't like footwork for people who would point fingers at me, without looking into it first, but I can.

If you ask nicely!

;-)

59 posted on 09/30/2004 7:40:32 AM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: CourtneyLeigh
What are you doing for dinner this evening, Courtney?

Perhaps over a half dozen martinis we can get this cleared up.

60 posted on 09/30/2004 7:44:09 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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