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Zapatero: Catholics Out, Islam In
Little Green Footballs ^ | 09/25/04 | Isambard Wilkinson in Madrid

Posted on 09/25/2004 7:38:56 AM PDT by JesseJane

The Spanish appeasement government of Zapatero is now planning to drastically cut ties with the Roman Catholic Church, slashing current funding in half: Funding for Church to be slashed by Spanish. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/25/wspain25.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/09/25/ixworld.html)

The Spanish government sparked a furious row yesterday after it emerged that it had drawn up a timetable to halve state funding of the Roman Catholic Church and to ban crucifixes from public buildings.

The Socialist government has already pedged to confront the Church ideologically and fiscally and to transform Spain into a fully secular society by scrapping the Church’s “privileged position in society”.

The newspaper El Mundo reported yesterday that the government has now drawn up a timetable to break the bonds, removing any lingering hopes that it might reach an accommodation.

The government plans to put an end to the arrangement whereby Spaniards can offer a percentage of their taxes to the Church. This arrangement contributes £54 million a year to Church funds.

This might be defensible as a move toward US-style separation of church and state—except that Zapatero is simultaneously planning to vastly increase state funding for Islam:

Further enraging conservatives, the government has drawn up plans to finance the teaching of Islam in state-run schools and to give funds to mosques on the grounds that it will create greater understanding of the country’s one million Muslims.

Although Spain has been a Catholic country since the expulsion of the Moors in 1492 is has also long had a tradition of anti-clericalism that flared violently during the civil war. The old saying was that “a Spaniard is always behind a priest, either with a candle or a stake.”

The Zapateristas seem intent on systematically dismantling Spanish society.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: appeasement; catholicchurch; catholics; churchandstate; cross; education; europe; islam; moors; politics; purge; religion; schools; socialist; spain; zapatero
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To: CometBaby

I guess Spain started down this road when they stopped having babies. They will cut their numbers in half each generation with a birthrate of 1.1-1.2 children per woman. If the Muslims there are having 4 children per woman (just a guess) it probably means Spanish women are have a birth rate of less than one.

And NOTHING else they do matters if they don't have babies.


41 posted on 09/25/2004 8:16:48 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: heartwood

'are have' = 'have'. I knew I shouldn't check that box.


42 posted on 09/25/2004 8:17:38 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: JesseJane

We need to quit handing out countries over to the Muslims. They will take as much as they think they can get and every capitulation only makes them bolder.

They can choose to immigrate to western cultures, but they must be the ones who adopt to western culture, not the other way around. If they are not comfortable with our society, their option is to leave. They don't belong here in that case.


43 posted on 09/25/2004 8:18:23 AM PDT by tdadams ('Unfit for Command' is full of lies... it quotes John Kerry)
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To: Incorrigible
Don't forget the photo:


44 posted on 09/25/2004 8:20:15 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Kerry lied while courageous veterans died.)
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To: livius
Are you still on the forum ?

What sdo you hear from your friends in Spain?

45 posted on 09/25/2004 8:20:41 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: JesseJane
...Zapatero is now planning to drastically cut ties with the Roman Catholic Church...

The commissars are now in full control of the Spanish Central Government. The only difference today is that there is no U.S.S.R. Politburo to back them up. They must rely on Papa Fidel and their new friend in Venezuela.

No more trips to Spain!

46 posted on 09/25/2004 8:21:05 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: tdadams
They don't belong here in that case.

They don't belong here in ANY case.

47 posted on 09/25/2004 8:22:09 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: CometBaby; starfish923
You see this as an opportunity to display your personal bias against Catholics?

If I may, I don't think this was intended as bias, but as truth.

The early church writings are quite clear in their idea that persecution brought faith, and the evidence of faith led to the conversion of many souls.

The Christian Faith in Europe needs a jump-start: this may do it.

48 posted on 09/25/2004 8:26:20 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: JesseHousman

I don't have any problem with immigrants of any stripe, as long as immerse themselves in the spirit and customs of their adopted land, and of course immigrate legally.

The problem is, most Muslims, most immigrants in general these day, do not want to do that. They want to come to America or Europe and demand that the people there accommodate them and adapt to their culture and beliefs.

Hell no. If you make the decision to leave your country behind and come to a new land, as a consequence it is incombent upon you to live within the norms and beliefs of your adopted land. Don't work to make the new land just like your old land. Why did you leave in the first place?


49 posted on 09/25/2004 8:27:17 AM PDT by tdadams ('Unfit for Command' is full of lies... it quotes John Kerry)
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To: happygrl
Why are you insulting Mr. Bean ?

He may look like Zapatero, but he's not diabolical.

NOTHING about this is funny.

If you're talking about post #3, that's not the one you replied to.

The picture in my post, #2, IS Zapotero, and is not meant to be funny.

50 posted on 09/25/2004 8:28:08 AM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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To: JesseJane; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
The Spanish government sparked a furious row yesterday after it emerged that it had drawn up a timetable to halve state funding of the Roman Catholic Church and to ban crucifixes from public buildings.

The terrorists who masterminded the explosions earlier this year in Spain, must be absolutely jubilant. Just imagine what they have in store for our elections in November.

Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list


51 posted on 09/25/2004 8:31:34 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: JesseJane

It's not shocker that Zapatero is persecuting Catholics and rewarding Muslims. After all, Al Qaeda got him elected.


52 posted on 09/25/2004 8:34:41 AM PDT by Holden Magroin
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To: atomicpossum
Whoops!

Well, now I see the resemblance.

53 posted on 09/25/2004 8:36:00 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: happygrl

Of course it was bias and sarcasm. How else would you explain the "LOL" in there?


54 posted on 09/25/2004 8:37:09 AM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: JesseJane
Zapatero: Catholics Out, Islam In

And this is a news flash because . . . . ?

Islam was "in" as soon as those bombs exploded in Madrid and the foolish Spaniards elected Zapatero, the Appeaser. Now, they're stuck with him. Expect to see the Shari'a become law in Spain before the end of his first (only?) term.
55 posted on 09/25/2004 8:37:38 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: jmaroneps37
catholicsainstkerry.com

Catholic Sainst Kerry doesn't sound like much of an opposition movement to Kerry. Sounds to me like you want him anointed.
56 posted on 09/25/2004 8:41:41 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: JesseJane
A strange alliance has emerged post-9/11: the alliance of secular humanists and radical Islamists against Christianity and Western Civilization.

The anti-Christian left wants to "bring it all down, man," and they are only too happy to enlist Muslim extremists to do their bidding.

They are in for a surprise, though. They will be the first to be beheaded when the Moors retake Spain.

57 posted on 09/25/2004 8:42:41 AM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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To: Thane_Banquo

I don't think the Social Democratic Party of Spain is trying to appease the Muslims; I think it is a self-loathing party hellbent on national suicide, just as Democrats here complain about "white racist Amerika." I don't know what else explains the Spanish government's decision to fund and promote a religion that calls for a holy war against the "infidel" West. Surely Mr. Zapatero knows what Islam is all about. Muslims are gleefully using the freedoms liberals are hellbent on giving them so that they may destroy the very liberals who gave them those freedoms. Truly, this world is upside down.


58 posted on 09/25/2004 8:44:07 AM PDT by Holden Magroin
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To: CometBaby
Perhaps he was laughing at the Socialists' attempt to destroy the Church which is going to backfire. I too read no insult to Catholicism in the post. Hopefully the poster will return to clarify.
59 posted on 09/25/2004 8:49:55 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: JesseJane

Selling out to ISLAM, I hope they like their seat in HELL.


60 posted on 09/25/2004 8:53:34 AM PDT by Jimbaugh (They will not get away with this. Developing . . . . .)
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