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In Rush to Air, CBS Quashed Memo Worries
Washington Post ^ | 09/20/2004 | Howard Kurtz, Michael Dobbs

Posted on 09/18/2004 7:27:43 PM PDT by jhouston

In the early-morning hours of Sept. 8, Dan Rather was preparing to fly to Washington for a crucial interview in the Old Executive Office Building, but torrential rain kept him in New York.

White House communications director Dan Bartlett had agreed to talk to "60 Minutes," but only on condition that the CBS program provide copies of what were being billed as newly unearthed memos indicating that President Bush had received preferential treatment in the National Guard. The papers were hand-delivered at 7:45 a.m. CBS correspondent John Roberts, filling in for Rather, sat down with Bartlett at 11:15.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; cbsnews; forgery; killian; kurtz; michaeldobbs; napalminthemorning; rather; tang
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To: Cboldt

I'm sitting here reading the entries and "The Longest Day" is on AMC. The German officer is sitting in his bunker, looking with his binocuars and he sees the invasion fleet. I wonder if Dan Rather is looking from his bunker and he sees thousands of bloggers, in their pajamas, typing away at their keyboards...instead of screaming "Invasion" into his CBS field phone he screams "Internet!!"
Sorry I am late to the fight, but got my laptop in my Ruck and headed to the front...


201 posted on 09/18/2004 10:24:37 PM PDT by Nova Reservist
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To: Jim Robinson
. My question is, how far up into the DNC and Kerry Campaign chain will the trail actually lead?

Don't forget, early the next morning, Tom Harkin was all over the CBS story and attacking the President about these documents

Kind of makes a person go hmmmmmm

202 posted on 09/18/2004 10:26:37 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: traviskicks

good work.


203 posted on 09/18/2004 10:29:20 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: twntaipan

It fits with alll the mistakes and using a word processor instead of a typewriter, maybe a 30 year old flunkie or novice forger..Burkett would have known better the forms and abbreviations etc by the way I wonder if a dem did forge it and used one of Kerry's letters as a format-center justified like this one at their site.(below link) Also look at the letterhead. It is plausible Burkett got the docs from the dems and noticed errors but CBS was pushing him for time(why didnt he give them to Mapes and Rather the first meeting if he had them all the time?) so he faxed them anyway due to time constaints. I wish someone could post the two letters from theWP next to this one, I don't know how..would be a good comparison.


http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/National_Defense_Service_Medal.pdf


204 posted on 09/18/2004 10:30:23 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Nova Reservist

welcome. is a ruck a sack?


205 posted on 09/18/2004 10:32:23 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: rolling_stone


Could someone else look at my post at 204 along with this and critic my toughts..is it plausible it sure seems possible to me..what did I miss? thanks


Wouldn't it be funny if Burkett gave the Kerry campaign the info, they made the docs (he thinking they could get a real forger to do it better than he could and he could deny he forged them) and Dems sent them back to him, then he contacts CBS an then faxes them when he first gets them from Dems...


206 posted on 09/18/2004 10:32:47 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Cboldt

They wanted the scoop & knew a couple of other outlets had been sent the same docs. The DNC ad was good to go & something had to be done to stop Kerry's bleeding.


207 posted on 09/18/2004 10:35:27 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: rolling_stone

i don't know how to copy a pdf, but here's these...

208 posted on 09/18/2004 10:38:15 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: GoLightly
They wanted the scoop & knew a couple of other outlets had been sent the same docs.

Oh yeah, I forgot that the WH gave copies of the memos to all the pool reporters. Scoop is gone at that point. Have to wonder though, why did USA TOday get a package of 6 documents the day after CBS aired the story? Belf and suspenders in case CBS had chickened out?

209 posted on 09/18/2004 10:39:56 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: bitt

thanks

one other thing in the TANG they used 2 numbers for the year in the date on Kerry's navy docs 4 numbers in the year ie 72 vs 1972...


210 posted on 09/18/2004 10:41:08 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: counterpunch
They were claiming it was the first time [Barnes] told it.

Good Lord. Barnes was telling it before the 2000 election, even though he had said the opposite when under oath in 1999. The story had already been fully discredited once.

I still can't conceive of how Cap'n Dan, the News Man, thought this was "news". Well, yes, I can. But...

211 posted on 09/18/2004 10:42:59 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: rolling_stone; All

hey, more info, check this out:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6039850/site/newsweek/


212 posted on 09/18/2004 10:43:46 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: bitt

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1220339/posts


213 posted on 09/18/2004 10:44:18 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: bitt

'Emily Will, a documents expert approached by CBS to examine the memos, told NEWSWEEK that she was told by a CBS News producer that the network's source had received the memos anonymously through the mail. Intense scru-tiny has centered on the role of William Burkett, a former National Guard official who charged last February that he saw Bush Guard documents in a trash can in 1997—an allegation that Guard officials strongly denied. A source who worked with CBS on the story said Burkett was identified by a producer as a conduit for the documents. Three days before the broadcast, Burkett e-mailed a friend that there was "a real heavy situation regarding Bush's records" about to break. "He was having a lot of fun with this," said the friend, Dennis Adams. Burkett told a visitor that after the story ran, Rather phoned him and expressed his and the network's "full support." CBS has declined to comment on the sourcing of the network's story. Burkett's lawyer told the press his client would never "condone forgery," but did not respond to detailed questions posed by NEWSWEEK. Burkett himself refused to talk to reporters camped outside his house last week, although he did tell a journalist that since he began speaking out, unnamed assailants had killed his dog and threatened to rape his wife.'

from Newsweek


214 posted on 09/18/2004 10:46:40 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: bitt

thanks that seems to make my idea more plausible!

Emily Will, a documents expert approached by CBS to examine the memos, told NEWSWEEK that she was told by a CBS News producer that the network's source had received the memos anonymously through the mail.


215 posted on 09/18/2004 10:46:59 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Cboldt
Oh yeah, I forgot that the WH gave copies of the memos to all the pool reporters. Scoop is gone at that point.

Come to think of it, THAT does sound like a dirty trick by the Waskily Wepubwecans. Makes me proud.

216 posted on 09/18/2004 10:47:44 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: jhouston

Tests run by Thomas Phinney, fonts program manager for Adobe Systems, show that none of the possible font widths available on any typewriter or any IBM device from 1972 are able to produce an exact replica of the CBS documents. "Can they do something 'similar'? Sure," Phinney said. "Could they produce those exact memos? Impossible."

If Thomas Phinney fonts program manager for Adobe Systems says
"Could they produce those exact memos? Impossible."


217 posted on 09/18/2004 10:47:44 PM PDT by crushelits
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To: counterpunch; Okie
Maybe Counterpunch is correct about Barnes lending credibility to the 60 Minute story but Barnes is too slick to get his hands dirty with anything like the memos.

More likely, Van Os was the "impeccable" source for the memos. He was former chairman of Travis County Democratic Party and most likely knew Robin Rather and her father. Max Cleland gets a phone call from Burkett that documents may exist and gives the go ahead for the "counterattack". Another conversation to confirm to docs are ready and then Cleland leaks to CBS. Mapes meets Burkett's lawyer, Van Os, who could assert attorney-client privilege if any questions are asked about the memos he does not want to answer. If he is the broker between Burkett and Cleland he could even assert attorney-client privilege with respect to any conversations with Cleland on behalf of Burkett.
218 posted on 09/18/2004 10:48:32 PM PDT by hobson
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To: Cboldt

Where does it end? If Rather had just gotten bad information from his Producer. He would have, issued a retraction and had the Producer canned or reprimanded.

As we are thinking there is a source in the Kerry campaign. It has to be a high source to protect it. An anonymous staffer would be ousted soon, and even a mid level staffer would be cut loose or demoted. It had to be someone with access with Kerry so everyone would think "if they saw it they would have mentioned it to Kerry, if not shown it to Kerry."

This is why Rather is holding out. As everyone knows its not the mistake its the cover up and this cover up might kill his career. As in him having to resign to save CBS.


219 posted on 09/18/2004 10:48:50 PM PDT by OKSTATE99 (Oklahoma Republican)
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To: bitt; hobson

From Newsweek:

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A biographical sketch appended to another anti- Bush essay Burkett posted on an Internet site in late August describes him as "one of the sources" for Michael Moore's anti-Bush film "Fahrenheit 9/11." Former Democratic senator Max Cleland confirmed that he got a call from Burkett in mid-August offering "valuable" information about Bush. He told Burkett to contact the Kerry campaign. A Kerry campaign official said the campaign could find no record of any contacts with Burkett. The campaign official acknowledged that the CBS docs are probably forgeries— a frustrating development, the official said, because it has distracted attention from legitimate questions about Bush's Guard service.
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OH this is too good...! Can you imagine if he was the source for parts of the Farenheight 9/11!!!!!!!! He claims he is! One Kook guy sets off conspiratorial stories by those desperate to hear them across the entire country! Someone has to look into this more...

Michael Moore and CBS - linked by Bill Bartlett. LOL
Hobson, you should add a Michael Moore link to your diagram... see how many links you get to him.. LOL


220 posted on 09/18/2004 10:52:51 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/welfare.htm)
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