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ABC NEWS v. SWIFTBOAT VETS
DRUDGE REPORT, ABC News ^ | 9/17/04 | tucker39

Posted on 09/17/2004 7:49:30 PM PDT by Tucker39

Swift Boat Controversy ABC News Objects to Group’s Use of Good Morning America Footage in New Swift Boat Ad.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: abcnews; ads; gma; napalminthemorning; newbie; swiftboat; swiftboatveteranss; swiftboatvets; swiftees
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To: Tucker39

Make CBS take them to Court, The Ad will get all kinds of free publicity :-)


21 posted on 09/17/2004 8:15:30 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says He Can Do a Better Job of Implementing President Bush's Policies :-))
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To: Tucker39

Welcome to FR. We sure have a lot of new folks around here -- it's great.

It almost reminds me of good old days of the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal -- gosh, those were good times!


22 posted on 09/17/2004 8:16:12 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: xzins
I'm trying to figure out what is the property of ABC given that the airwaves are the property of the people of America...

I am not a lawyer, but I think that ABC has a copyright on everything it generates, even recordings of newsworthy events and public figures. Maybe a lawyer could chime in on this and whether footage being from a pooled newsfeed would make a difference.

I have no idea of whether this would fall into the "fair use" category, but it might, since the clips are short. I suspect that by the time ABC could do anything about it, the ad will have run its course.

The Swifties are certainly doing quite well at generating controversy and getting a lot of free publicity.

23 posted on 09/17/2004 8:18:28 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: 68skylark
It almost reminds me of good old days of the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal -- gosh, those were good times!

I've been thinking the same thing! Those were some good FReepin' times!

Lando

24 posted on 09/17/2004 8:18:53 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln (A Fair and Balanced Decision - GWB in 2004)
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To: Tucker39
Bring it on ABC, we're ready for ya!


25 posted on 09/17/2004 8:23:14 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: Boundless
It looks like Kerry's words are being manipulated through selective editing.

They aren't, though.

I agree with both statements, but unfortunately, perception is reality with most viewers - and you KNOW - the MSM will take the opportunity to spread the fiction that his words were taken out of context.

Specifically, the very last line by Kerry - "and I'm proud of that.." or something to that effect, looks like it could have been chopped from anywhere during that interview, which means it could have been in reference to something unrelated to his medal chucking. The careful viewer, though, can see the movement of his arm coming down to make the coming point at the very end of his second-to-last video cut. And in the last cut - his arm continues down to make the point that he's proud of chucking his medals.

However...how many viewers are going to notice that? And how many MSM outlets will helpfully point that out?

26 posted on 09/17/2004 8:23:27 PM PDT by guitfiddlist (The Left is smart enough to know the truth, but low enough not to care.)
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To: Dilbert56

Maybe they will sue? :o)


27 posted on 09/17/2004 8:31:30 PM PDT by LuckyHat (Kerry burned down my village...and all I got was this lousy tee-shirt.)
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To: Tucker39

Sorry, but ABC is right on this one.

It's their property used without authorisation.


28 posted on 09/17/2004 8:38:41 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: Boundless

Those Swift Boat Vets are too swift for Kerry or ABC.

They'll probably tell ABC the same thing they said to those who thought they should be sued for putting out the book because it was a pack of "lies".....

SO SUE ME!!!!!!

Brothers, I got all the confidence in the world in John O'Neil and his crew.


29 posted on 09/17/2004 8:42:40 PM PDT by planekT
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To: Wil H
I'd say fair use for political commentary by an independent civic group. ABC loses on copyright claims. They need to complain, but if they had a case they would legally go forward with a cease and desist. Unless they can show a misuse by derivative use, they have no case, IMO - IANAL.
30 posted on 09/17/2004 8:49:29 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative (The soldier, be he friend or foe, is charged with the protection of the weak and the unarmed.)
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To: LuckyHat
I you sure ABC is correct on this? Doesn't the use of the ABC footage by the Swiftees fall under the Fair Use exception to copyright law?

Specifically, you can quote or copy limited portions of a copyrighted work, such that the portions you copy is "fair use"?
31 posted on 09/17/2004 8:51:49 PM PDT by Retief
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To: Tucker39

So ABC, sue the SBVfT, it will guarantee full media coverage with snips of the ad. It will generate more exposure than the SBVfT could afford to pay for similiar tube time.

Has the DNC taken down their ad featuring news clips from both CBS and NBC? I remember they have both asked DNC to pull the ad, but last I heard, DNC said they will think about doing it.


32 posted on 09/17/2004 8:52:36 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Tucker39

I am sort of hoping that ABC turns this into a big deal. If they do that, more people will see the ad. I wonder if ABC is that dumb?


33 posted on 09/17/2004 8:52:46 PM PDT by dmc8576 (High School Students for Bush - 325 members ....Students for Kerry - 20 members. ENOUGH SAID!!!)
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To: OldFriend

I heard Ginsberg speak on this in an interview. He does review the ad content for the swifties. That's part of what he does. The kerry clip would have to have been cleared by Ginsberg before the commercial was made. It may have something to do with the uplink company that did the uplink service for abc during kerry's remote appearance on Good Morning America. Swifties will likely run this ad and wait to see if an injunction is ordered.


34 posted on 09/17/2004 8:53:50 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred

BWWWWWWWWWWAHAHAHAHAH!!!

You been going through my fambly album... :)


35 posted on 09/17/2004 8:54:25 PM PDT by JesseJane ( “fake but accurate” ... it’s like saying a body in a pine box is “dead but lifelike.” -- Lileks)
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To: planekT

> Those Swift Boat Vets are too swift for Kerry ...

Dick Morris used a metaphor yesterday that was approximately:
Kerry is playing checkers. Bush is playing chess.

The Swifties are playing chess too, and Kerry can't handle
even one game, much less two at once. Even his crack Clinton
and Kennedy staffers appear to be substantially over-matched.


36 posted on 09/17/2004 8:59:51 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: austinaero

"know they aren't done yet,,there will be more ads.


We just made our third donation. Felt as doing it as we did for the first one.

Come on all, we need to kick it up to 100,000 individual contributions. The 100,000 small donations to the SBVfT alone is a big time news item they can tout to the MSM. And then dare the lefty 527 to release how many individual contributions and what is the average.

Between Soros's untold millions and the thirteen million dollars Jane Fonda has given to them. Their individual donations will likely come from less than a few hundred people at 10,000 bucks or more each. You know, a real grass roots thingy from the little people.


37 posted on 09/17/2004 9:01:48 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Retief

My point was that it does not matter.

ABC, CBS, and NBC have made an art-form out of ignoring the SBVets story. This will force them to report it and possibly even to show the commercial to shoe their case. Controversy, in this case, is good. So, either their is controversy publicizing the Swift Boat cause or the networks let them use the film. Either way, the SBVets win.

After the election, if the networks sue, the case will linger in the courts for years costing the networks a ton of money, but the beneficial effect on the Swift Boat Vets will be immediate.

It is a good strategy. It puts the networks between a rock and a hard place.


38 posted on 09/17/2004 9:04:34 PM PDT by LuckyHat (Kerry burned down my village...and all I got was this lousy tee-shirt.)
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To: Tucker39

Bush may regret allowing Charles Gibson be a moderator.


39 posted on 09/17/2004 9:15:32 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er ({about the news media} "We'll tell you any sh** you want hear" : Howard Beale --> NETWORK)
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To: dc-zoo
Win/Win for truth!

If ABC files an injunction they pull a "CBS" on credibility.
Gotta love it. The devil is chewing his own tail off.
40 posted on 09/17/2004 9:24:56 PM PDT by DonnerT (Let Unilateralirality Reign!)
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