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AP stands by its story about anti-Bush SEAL (Freeper Travis McGee mentioned)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/13/04

Posted on 09/13/2004 1:43:11 PM PDT by ambrose

about anti-Bush SEAL

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Monday, September 13, 2004



ELECTION 2004
AP stands by its story
about anti-Bush SEAL

Man with Muslim name doesn't come up on search of elite sailors


Posted: September 13, 2004
4:06 p.m. Eastern

By Ron Strom


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

An Associated Press reporter is standing by his story that describes an anti-Bush veteran as a former Navy SEAL in the face of questions about whether or not the man was in fact a member of the elite unit.

The reporter, Elliott Minor says the Albany, Ga., man, Ahmad Majied, doesn't show up on lists of former SEALs because he changed his name when he converted to Islam after leaving the Navy.

In a story reporting the reactions of U.S. military personnel and veterans to allegations that President Bush failed to perform to National Guard standards, Minor quotes several current and former military men. Here is an excerpt from the AP story:

Ahmad Majied of Albany says the latest allegations about Bush's military record are more troubling to him than allegations about service honors leveled at Democratic challenger Kerry.

Majied, a Democrat from Albany who served 30 years in the Navy, including five years as a SEAL in Vietnam, said the memos support his belief that Bush was a "playboy" during his service years.

"He had enough money to get what he wanted," Majied said. "I think his main concern was not to go to Southeast Asia. I bet he never dreamed it would come back to haunt him."

After reading the account, Travis McGee, a poster on FreeRepublic.com, contacted an organization called AuthentiSEAL, which researches claims by people posing as Navy SEALs, to see if Majied indeed had been a SEAL. According to his post, McGee received a response from Gregory Platt, an investigator with the group, saying the name Ahmad Majied does not come up on a search of former SEALs.

McGee says he became suspicious of the claim when he read that Majied had been in Vietnam for five years.

"When this fake SEAL's claim of spending five years in Vietnam was pointed out to me, I knew he couldn't be for real," he writes at Free Republic. "SEALs deployed to VN for six month tours, so 'five years in Vietnam' seemed highly improbable. I knew lots of multiple tour 'real deal Vietnam SEALs' during my peacetime duty in the teams in the 1980s, and I never heard of this guy.

"This only took a couple of minutes time for 'amateurs' on Free Republic to check out. The 'professional' journalists at the AP must have been to busy to do this basic checking."

In an interview with WorldNetDaily, however, Minor says he has no reason to disbelieve Majied's story.

"I really trust this guy," he said. "I believe he's a real straight shooter."

Minor says Majied didn't give him his previous name, "and I didn't press the matter."

The vet has received "nasty calls" since the issue has been publiclized, Minor says, adding, "This is a very peaceful guy. … There's a peace about his voice."

Minor says Majied homeschools his seven children. "These are really upstanding people," he told WND.

The AP reporter addressed McGee's criticism of spending five months in Vietnam, saying Majied told him he was based in the Philippines and would go to Vietnam for short stints and then return to the islands.

"Altogether it was probably five years [in Vietnam]," Minor said.

Minor spoke to Majied this afternoon to try to verify the issue, and he said the veteran has refused to speak to other media about the issue.

He said of the Majieds: "I've met them around town, and they're just nice people. … I just really think a lot of him."

Internet bloggers challenging the claims of mainstream media outlets has become more prevalent recently. It was on the Net where the first questions were raised about National Guard memos CBS News claims show that Bush's former commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, was resisting pressure from his superior, Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, to "sugarcoat" Bush's officer evaluation files.

Document experts and amateur sleuths began questioning the memos' authenticity within hours after they were published on the Internet, citing typographical and formatting issues that suggest they were created by a modern-day word processor rather than a Vietnam War-era typewriter.

Despite the irregularities of the memos and the fact that a source CBS used to prove its case is saying the documents are forgeries, network anchor Dan Rather stands by the story he presented on "60 Minutes II" last week.

Related stories:

Bush Guard papers forged, says source

Rather backs docs on Evening News

Ben Barnes' daughter: Father lied about Bush

CBS News denies Bush docs forged


Ron Strom is a news editor for WorldNetDaily.com.



TOPICS: Free Republic; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ahmadmajied; ap; associatedpress; congrats; elliottminor; fakeseal; fakeseals; majied; medialies; mediots; minor; poorjournalism; seal; seals
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To: feinswinesuksass; rolling_stone; Momto2

Been there, done that.
We have a Wiley Graydon.
I'll find the thread.


121 posted on 09/13/2004 2:28:49 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: colorado tanker

AP doesn't care how much it lies.


122 posted on 09/13/2004 2:29:09 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Dead Dog
You were married to Cindy Crawford too?!?!? Wow, what a coincidence, so was I!!! What are the odds of THAT???

(The same odds that Killian wrote the memos to the MS Word default settings, in 1972.)

123 posted on 09/13/2004 2:29:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: NavySEAL F-16; Travis McGee

I just talked to a guy at backgroundsearches.com. It costs approximately $80 to get a “previous address search” from the info that we have. From there it’s a manual county by county process of doing a “civil search” to find if he changed his name there. Prices range from $40-$100 a pop depending on how for back they need to look and how fast the results are desired.


124 posted on 09/13/2004 2:30:41 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: colorado tanker

what does rush always say.. its not the facts, its the seriousness of the charge..

the facts be damned!


125 posted on 09/13/2004 2:31:25 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: lonster

This man is a liar, who has stolen the valor of genuine Viet Nam SEAL veterans, to add to his miserable actual persona, for the purpose of having the bona fides to smear President Bush.

As such, he is miserable pond scum, and deserves the blowback he's getting.


126 posted on 09/13/2004 2:31:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ambrose

He says he's a former SEAL ..no problemo...

Produce your records....

Very simple....But not even Kerry will do it....

Expecting people to take what you say as fact without proof...is the mark of a con man ..a liar

Wannabes and liars come in every stripe and from every walk of life....and every social strata

These low lifes have one thing in common....Lies...

Those who are so mentally feeble that they cannot tell the truth...will not tell the truth..have NO BUSINESS being in positions of power over others....they cannot be trusted with authority and power.... jobs that demand "public trust"....

imo


127 posted on 09/13/2004 2:32:49 PM PDT by joesnuffy ( "Two Heads Are Better Than One"...."Unless They're On The Same Person" -Andy Sipowicz)
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To: All

Incredible...the reporter even admits to not checking out his past identity.


128 posted on 09/13/2004 2:32:55 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

One would think that someone would have kept in touch with this Majied guy and would have known about his name change after VN.

I think either you or Travis also pointed out on the other thred that of the 260 SEALS, only a handful were African American because of Navy policies back in the day. You would think that he would be easily identifiable, because of his race and because of claims he was in VN for five years.

The other thing that strikes me as odd is that if Majied was elite enough to be a SEAL (and presumably one of the first blacks on the SEAL team), he should be extremely proud of his service and more than willing to give his Class number and other information about his service.

I am sure the folks at Authentiseal would be more than happy to respect his privacy as far as the name change goes if he would just release his name. But he won't because more likely than not, he never was a SEAL.


129 posted on 09/13/2004 2:33:04 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: Maigrey

More examples of lieing journalist. I doubt this source exists.


130 posted on 09/13/2004 2:33:21 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: sharktrager

Do they have a Wiley Graydon?
Follow the original thread and you will see the various names connected with the guy that we found.


131 posted on 09/13/2004 2:35:06 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: neverdem
He changed his name. OK. So why not ask what his former name was? Why does he want to keep it a mystery?

He's probably got bench warrants out in five states, that's why.

132 posted on 09/13/2004 2:36:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ambrose; Travis McGee
A muslim AND a Democrat. Yep, I absolutely trust everything he says.

I continue to be stunned by the sheer stupidity/bias of the MSM.
133 posted on 09/13/2004 2:36:23 PM PDT by self_evident
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To: Leisler

Did a quick Google and found this list of recent subscribers to the newsletter for the USS Currituck
http://diodon349.com/Torpedoman/TMA_newsletter/TMA_Newsletter_Nov2003.pdf

"Welcome Aboard . . .
The following names are of shipmates who have joined the association since the last newsletter was printed. Due to some poor copies of original applications, some bad handwriting, and not to mention some weak typing skills and eyes of the typesetter, there can be errors in the following list—if you think the errors may prevent former shipmates from recognizing and contacting you please advise and corrections will be made in the next issue...

Majied, Ahmad
2710 Cambridge Road, Albany, GA 31721-1574
229-431-1144
MACM
1963-66"

Checked acronyms and learned MACM is
Master Chief Machine Accountant (Naval Rating)

hmmmmm...


134 posted on 09/13/2004 2:37:23 PM PDT by Mystic
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To: NavySEAL F-16
I have a lot of patience in matters dealing with honor.

Thanks. So do I.

And let me repeat: I could care less if some blowhard was telling lies in the corner bar about being a Navy SEAL in Viet Nam for five years, (or taking a Swiftboat into Cambodia for that matter.)

What ticks me off is that this liar made up the fake SEAL bs to have standing to slam Bush as a "rich playboy." And the AP reporter just took his word for it.

Like I said, I could claim to have made moon landings, "under another name."

135 posted on 09/13/2004 2:39:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ambrose
Bush was a "playboy"

And one of the reasons J. Effing joined the VVAW was to fondle a Fonda.

136 posted on 09/13/2004 2:40:13 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: NavySEAL F-16
Not just being a SEAL, but also that he retired at the rank he told someone that he had.

There have only been ten in the entire history of the USN. Their pictures are on the web, and none were wearing a Trident, or listed being a SEAL in their bio.

It took me a bit to figure out what you were talking about here. The guy said he was a Master Chief Master-at-Arms (E-9). There have certainly been more than 10 MACMs. He did not claim to have been Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (MCPON), which is what I think you are trying to say.

By the way, what are your credentials?

137 posted on 09/13/2004 2:40:20 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: elfman2
It's not up to us to disprove the liar is lying. It's up to the liar to prove he's telling the truth.

Which he could do in five minutes.

138 posted on 09/13/2004 2:41:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

Yep another paid lying whore steps up mouths the lies they are paid to mouth by AP and the rest of MSM.


139 posted on 09/13/2004 2:42:33 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
only a handful were African American because of Navy policies back in the day.

I have to correct that part. From the late 50s on, at least, blacks could and did enter any Navy program they were qualified for. Something about spending hours a week swimming at night in freezing cold shark infested waters did not seem to attract many blacks then, or now. It was not "navy policy" to keep them out. There were and are outstanding Navy UDT frogmen and SEALs going way back. Outstanding.

140 posted on 09/13/2004 2:43:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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