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Live Thread: CBS Evening News (Dan tells us why we're all wrong)
www.freerepublic.com | September 10, 2004

Posted on 09/10/2004 3:18:38 PM PDT by Howlin

Edited on 09/10/2004 4:53:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Have at it.

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'KEY CHALLENGES TO NATIONAL GUARD DOCUMENTS ANSWERED'
Fri Sep 10 2004 19:03:11 ET

The biggest challenges to the authenticity of the documents featured in the 60 MINUTES segment on President Bush's Texas National Guard service are answered in a report to be broadcast on the CBS EVENING NEWS tonight (6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. The report states that the type style, typewriter and the superscript function critics claim did not exist at the time the memos from President Bush's former Texas National Guard commander were typed were indeed all available. In fact, similar raised "th" superscripts have been found on other National Guard documents the White House has released from the president's file.

Furthermore, Marcel Mately, the document and handwriting expert used to authenticate the documents for CBS News and 60 MINUTES, asserts that copies of the memos critics are examining have been degraded by reproduction though photocopying, computer scanning and faxing and are not reliable representations of the memos.

A transcript is attached:

BUSH DOCUMENTS

EVENING NEWS WITH DAN RATHER

9-10-04

Rather Lead In: There were attacks today on the CBS News "60 Minutes" report this week raising new questions about President Bush's Vietnam-era time in the Texas Air National Guard. The questions raised by our report include:

--Did a wealthy Texas oilman-friend of the Bush family use his influence with the speaker of the Texas House of Representatives .. to get George W. Bush a coveted slot in the National Guard .. keeping him out of the draft and any probable service IN Vietnam?

--Did Lieutenant Bush refuse a direct order from his commanding officer?

--Was Lieutenant. Bush suspended for failure to perform up to standards?

--Did Lieutenant Bush ever take a physical he was required and ordered to take? If not, why not?

--And did Lieutenant Bush, in fact, complete his commitment to the Guard?

These questions grew out of new witnesses and new evidence -- including documents written by Lieutenant Bush's squadron commander.

Today, on the internet and elsewhere, some people -- including many who are partisan political operatives -- concentrated not on the key questions the overall story raised but on the documents that were part of the support of the story.

They alleged the documents are FAKE.

Rather: MANY OF THOSE RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CBS DOCUMENTS HAVE FOCUSED ON SOMETHING CALLED SUPERSCRIPT... A KEY THAT AUTOMATICALLY TYPES A RAISED "TH". CRITICS CLAIM TYPEWRITERS DIDN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY IN THE 70S. BUT SOME MODELS DID....IN FACT, OTHER BUSH MILITARY RECORDS ALREADY OFFICIALLY RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE ITSELF SHOW THE SAME SUPERSCRIPT.

HERE'S ONE..... FROM 1968.

SOME ANALYSTS OUTSIDE CBS SAY THEY BELIEVE THE TYPEFACE ON THESE MEMOS IS NEW TIMES ROMAN.... WHICH THEY CLAIM WAS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE 1970S.

BUT THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY THAT DISTRIBUTES THIS TYPING STYLE.... SAYS IT HAS BEEN AVAILABE SINCE 1931. DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY ANALYZED THE DOCUMENTS FOR CBS NEWS.

HE SAYS HE BELIEVES THEY ARE REAL...BUT IS CONCERNED ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING EXAMINED BY SOME OF THE PEOPLE QUESTIONING THE DOCUMENTS....BECAUSE DETIORATION OCCURS EACH TIME A DOCUMENT IS REPRODUCED.....AND THE DOCUMENTS BEING ANALYZED OUTSIDE OF CBS HAVEBEEN PHOTOCOPIED, FAXED, SCANNED AND DOWNLOADED.... AND ARE FAR REMOVED FROM THE DOCUMENTS CBS STARTED WITH WHICH WERE ALSO PHOTOCOPIES.

DOCUMENT AND HANDWRITING EXAMINER MARCEL MATLEY DID THIS INTERVIEW WITH US PRIOR TO THE 60 MINUTES BROADCAST.

HE LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS AND THE SIGNATURES OF COLONEL JERRY KILLIAN.... COMPARING KNOWN DOCUMENTS WITH THE COLONEL'S SIGNATURE ON THE NEWSLY DISCOVERED ONES.

Matley: "WE LOOK BASICALLY AT WHAT'S CALLED SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT FEATURES TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S THE SAME PERSON OR NOT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IDENTIFYING THEM.

I WOULD SAY BASED ON OUR AVAILABLE HANDWRITING EVIDENCE, YES. THIS IS THE SAME PERSON."

Rather: MATLEY FINDS THE SIGNAT'URES TO BE SOME OF THE MOST COMPELLING EVIDENCE...WE TALKED TO HIM AGAIN TODAY BY SATELLITE.

Matley "SINCE IT IS REPRESENTED THAT SOME OF THEM ARE DEFINITELY HIS... THEN WE CAN CONCLUDE THEY ARE HIS SIGNATURES."

Rather: "ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT QUESTIONS COME ABOUT THESE. WE'RE NOT, BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'RE SURPRISED."

Matley: "I KNEW GOING IN THAT THIS WAS DYNAMITE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND I KNEW THAT POTENTIALLY IT WAS FAR MORE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO ME PROFESSIONALLY THAN BENEFIT ME. AND I KNEW THAT. BUT WE SEEK THE TRUTH. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT YOURSELF OUT. TO SEEK THE TRUTH AND TAKE WHAT COMES FROM IT."

Rather: ROBERT STRONG WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER FOR THE TEXAS AIR NATIONAL GUARD DURING THE VIETNAM YEARS. HE KNEW COL. JERRY KILLIAN, THE MAN CREDITED WITH WRITING THE DOCUMENTS.... AND PAPER WORK... LIKE THESE DOCUMENTS...WAS HIS SPECIALTY. HE IS STANDING BY HIS JUDGEMENT THAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE REAL.

Rather: "WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT THESE ARE GENUINE?"

Strong: "WELL,, THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE WAY BUSINESS WAS DONE AT THAT TIME. THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAN THAT I REMEMBER JERRY KILLIAN BEING. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT'S DISCORDANT WITH WHAT WERE THE TIMES, WHAT WERE THE SITUATION OR WHAT WERE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED."

Rather: STRONG SAYS THE HIGHLY CHARGED POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE OF THE GUARD AT THE TIME... WAS PERFECTLY REPRESENTED IN THE NEW DOCUMENTS

Strong: "IT VERGED ON OUTRIGHT CORRUPTION IN TERMS OF THE FAVORS THAT WERE DONE, THE POWER THAT WAS TRADED. AND IT WAS UNCONSCIONABLE. FROM A MORAL AND ETHICAL STANDPOINT. IT WAS UNCONSCIONABLE."

Rather: IT IS THE INFORMATION IN THE NEW DOCUMENTS THAT IS MOST COMPELLING FOR PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH PRESIDENT BUSH'S RECORD IN THE NATIONAL GUARD. AUTHOR JIM MORE HAS WRITTEN TWO BOOKS ON THE SUBJECT.

Rather: "YOU'VE STUDIED PRESIDENT BUSH'S RECORDS FOR 10 YEARS.. ARE THESE DOCUMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECORD AS YOU KNOW IT?"

Moore: "THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY CONSISTENT WITH THE RECORDS AS I KNOW IT."

Rather: "PUT IT IN CONTEXT AND PERSPECTIVE FOR US ... THE STORY AND WHAT WE CALL THE COUNTERATTACK ON THE STORY. WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW?

Moore "I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS SOME INCRIMINATING DOCUMENTS HAVE COME OUT. THE WHITE HOUSE, YOU SHOULD REMEMBER, HAS NOT DISCREDITED THE DOCUMENTS. THEY'RE RELYING ON THE BLOGOSPHERE AND OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THAT. BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE PROBABLY KNOWS THESE DOCUMENTS ARE IN FACT REAL."

Rather Tag: The "60 Minutes" report was based NOT solely on the recovered documents .. but on a preponderance of evidence .. including documents that were provided by un-impeachable sources .. and interviews with former officials of the Texas National Guard. If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it.

So far, there is none.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: District of Columbia; US: Texas
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To: mlbford2

They just refuse to admit that others have hired experts and instead keep referring to the "blogosphere".

Hey Old Media - too bad you're just so darned tired. And Old.


321 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:34 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

He is telling America to F*ck Off!!!!!!!!!!!

This IS war and by God,m he will not win.


322 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:34 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (What part of SHALL PASS NO LAW do they not understand?)
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To: BunnySlippers
"Where are you guys seeing this? CBS here in L.A. is Judge Judy!"

There's this neat new thing called time zones. The people seeing this are on the East Coast watching live...... ;o)

323 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:35 PM PDT by SW6906
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To: Howlin

Jeepers...guess he just told us. NOT!!!!!!!!


324 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:37 PM PDT by zlala
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To: mhking

Rather is basically saying..."there is no damn way you are going to make me retract this story".


325 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:38 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Peach

What's up? CBS ducking and covering?

Prairie


326 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:41 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (sKerry is a sKunk!!)
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To: FastCoyote

Noted. Thanks!
Dan just blew off the remaining points.


327 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:43 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: Howlin

splain, Lucy!


328 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:46 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: mhking
Rather is so toast!

Says "if any definitive evidence is found (to support fakery) we'll report it...so far, none has been found."

329 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:47 PM PDT by LisaFab
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To: BunnySlippers

Turn on Larry Elder -- or www.kabc.com for streaming -- he's got Bernie Goldberg on now!


330 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:48 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: jimbo123

I wonder if matley is a kerry contributor . . . . .


331 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:50 PM PDT by smonk
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To: the invisib1e hand
Time for the White House to step up and slam them all: McAuliffe, CBS, all of them.
332 posted on 09/10/2004 3:41:59 PM PDT by Shqipo (The gloves are on and the corners are empty.)
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I want to write all CBS Sponsers...

I will actively boycott and protest their sponsership of CBS in any way, shape or form in whatever way I can until Dan RatherFOS is put out of our misery!


333 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:00 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Or vice versa?


334 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:01 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Vision Thing
Dan of CBS complains that partisans are ignoring the content of the docs, but instead are focusing on the format of the docs.

No Dan, we've already established the FACTS regarding the content of the documents, and we know that what was in the documents you presented were lies! We're NOW concentrating on the format. You've only mentioned ONE of the points in the format; the typeface. What about the HUGH list of the other points which suggest that the docs are FAKES!!

335 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:06 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: All

Dan the newsman goes down with the ship


336 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:13 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (CEO, VRWC: When you think treason, don't think Benedict Arnold - think JOHN FORGED KERRY!)
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To: geros

Sadly it isn't funny - that's the way we lived in the 60's, 70's and into the 80's-90's!

As Cronkite said he set the agenda in the newsroom. You can take it to the bank that the agenda had nothing to do with fair and balanced either!

I recently spoke to twenty-somethings who just cannot fathom time before cable, talk radio and the Internet. What a wonderful new world.


337 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:22 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: Vision Thing

We're as partisan as Ms. Mary, the one that refused to interview people that would vouch for Bush because they liked him. Only difference is that we aren't allowing our partisanship to affect our judgement.

Danny, we haven't ignored the charges, they just aren't as important given they are UNTRUE!


338 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:22 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Howlin

So Dan just lays it all at the blogosheres feet and says "prove it"! L0L

How lame!


339 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:22 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Howlin

Oh no! Hope he/she will be OK.

The thing doesn't air here for two more hours. I doubt I watch.


340 posted on 09/10/2004 3:42:24 PM PDT by cyncooper (We're mad as Zell and we're not going to take it anymore!)
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