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To: JLO

Send them this. It ain't just the "th".

1-- proportional spacing not generally available
2 -- superscripts not generally available
3 - small "th" single element not generally available
4 - Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5-The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.
7--Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
9 - words run over consistent with word processor
10 - may be a Times Roman or similar font not generally available then (per Haas Atlas)
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors and whiteout
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
15 - Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.
16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match
17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.
18 - 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. does not exist
19 - Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer.
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"
22 - Subject matter bizarre
23 - Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.
24 - kerning was not available
25 - In the August 18, 1973 memo, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." but General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.
26 - Language not generally used by military
27 - Not signed or initialed
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.




87 posted on 09/10/2004 12:58:26 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: mabelkitty

I saw that last night,I was looking for it, thanks,great evidence.


131 posted on 09/10/2004 1:04:33 PM PDT by Redcoat LI ("I am the great and powerful Kerry! Look at my medals!")
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To: mabelkitty

Nice compilation, may I add a few comments:
#18 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston did exist and is listed by George Bush as his address in his enlistment packet also listed as his parents addres in 1978. GOP Capitalist noted that Bush moved from that address and was not there in 1972. (don't know if his parents still used it but he had a permanent address out of state)

#19 PO Box is used by 147th as their address in other offical documents.


184 posted on 09/10/2004 1:15:47 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: mabelkitty

I'll be saving that post. I think that there are more issues however. Looking forward to saving those as well.


201 posted on 09/10/2004 1:18:56 PM PDT by Radix (...it is easier for logical men to appear barbarous than for barbarous men to appear civilized.)
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To: mabelkitty

21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"

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You need to remove this one, it was shown by someone on a thread that this wasn't the case in the NG in the 70's.

And Bush's own request for discharge shows him signing as 1st Lt. http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc27.gif


293 posted on 09/10/2004 1:40:03 PM PDT by Tamzee (Dan Rather... All the News that's Fit to Forge)
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To: mabelkitty

I just faxed the list to the manager of WJHL TV, the local CBS affiliate with a note " If you're sitll on the air, here's a heads up on the CBS denial.......


302 posted on 09/10/2004 1:41:28 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: mabelkitty

add to that list no punch holes on top of page and Bush would had an automatic order for a physical on his Birthday not from his CO.


411 posted on 09/10/2004 2:15:19 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: mabelkitty
I am not sure how this might impact the probable forgery, but in the .pdf file the P.O box is blacked out, but not enough to cover up the 34567. After one photocopy this number would not be visible. Photocopying machines, even when set to greyscale do not have the contrast resolution to be able to do this more than once. The only way this might be possible is if the document was put onto a digital scanner, obviously not available in the early 70s.
412 posted on 09/10/2004 2:15:32 PM PDT by pghkevin (Have you hugged your kids today? Have you thanked someone in the Military today?)
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To: mabelkitty

Send them this. It ain't just the "th".

1-- proportional spacing not generally available
2 -- superscripts not generally available
3 - small "th" single element not generally available
4 - Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5-The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.
7--Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
9 - words run over consistent with word processor
10 - may be a Times Roman or similar font not generally available then (per Haas Atlas)
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors and whiteout
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
15 - Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.
16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match
17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.
18 - 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. does not exist
19 - Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer.
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"
22 - Subject matter bizarre
23 - Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.
24 - kerning was not available
25 - In the August 18, 1973 memo, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." but General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.
26 - Language not generally used by military
27 - Not signed or initialed
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.
and
29. - Line spacing is thirteen points, not generated by any typewriter


421 posted on 09/10/2004 2:17:52 PM PDT by spokeshave (Traitor Kerry did for free what the POWs received torture to make them say)
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To: mabelkitty
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"

Actually it would be "1LT".

431 posted on 09/10/2004 2:19:32 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: mabelkitty

Gonna be a broken record here, but this is a very important detail, 13 point type!! Typewriters were either elite or pica. Elite is 12 CPI (characters per inch) & Pica is 10 CPI. Platten return height, distance beteen the top of one row of characters, to the top of the next row of characters is also an important element of a document to examine. The exact match up with the Word docs created create as much concern as the width of each of the characters.


445 posted on 09/10/2004 2:23:42 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: mabelkitty
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.

However, by framing it as orders, whoever did the forging has probably committed a crime rather than mere defamation, which is a civil matter. If the Memo was merely confirming VOCO (verbal orders of the commanding officer) that would be one thing, but the document isn't phrased that way.

Another thing about those "orders". In the document Bush is commanded to report to the Commander 111 FIS, not to the flight surgeon, which would be more appropriate I would think. I know when I got orders to report for a physical, they didn't have me reporting to my CO, but rather to the medical folks. Actually in my case they were orders to schedule a physical and have the results forwarded back to my unit. I had one physical by OK-ANG, One by AF Reserve on an active duty base, and one by TX-ANG, the later even though I was in the AF Reserve, not the TX-ANG. Not counting those done on active duty or for ROTC.

533 posted on 09/10/2004 2:55:23 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: mabelkitty

bump note *87


587 posted on 09/10/2004 3:30:01 PM PDT by Taffini
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To: mabelkitty

Bump for posterity.


672 posted on 09/10/2004 8:05:13 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: mabelkitty; All
One more for ya' (I tried posting but FR didn't allow 'American Thinker').

Killian Memo Has Wrong Deadline, Cites Wrong Regulation

"For one thing, the proper authority Lt. Colonel Killian should have cited to remind Lt. Bush of his duty to undergo an annual medical examination would have been AFM 160-1. AFM 160-1 contains the actual schedule and other requirements about these medical exams."
...

"But according to the AFM 160-1 Bush (like practically everyone else in the Air Force National Guard at the time), was required to get a medical examination every year within 3 months preceding birthday. President George W. Bush was born on July 6, 1946. So according to the controlling authority (AFM 160-1) he had a window from April 6, 1972 until July 6, 1972 to get his "medical."

But his Lt. Colonel is made out to be entirely ignorant of such details: "You are ordered to report to commander, 111 F.L.S., Ellington AFB, not later than (NLT) 14 May, 1972 [emphasis added] to conduct annual physical examination (flight)IAW AFM 35-13."

So not only does the author of this memo cite the wrong authority(AFM 35-13 as opposed to AFM 160-1), he gets the deadline for Lt. Bush's examination wrong. The deadline would have been July 6 the, as opposed to May 14th."


719 posted on 09/12/2004 1:31:47 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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