Posted on 09/09/2004 7:33:57 AM PDT by TastyManatees
New Questions On Bush Guard Duty
CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.
While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.
Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.
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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."
Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."
Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.
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So? Do we write/call CBS and say these documents look to have been faked?
Should we all e-mail the examples of the signatures to CBS and say "even a blind man could tell the difference...who is your expert?"
How did CBS come by these documents? Tell us your source!
We need to put pressure on them to justify their documents.
Amazing. I will ask my younger son, the Photoshop wizard, to try this himself.
It would have had to have two -- for single quotes. And two for full quotes, one beginning and one ending.
"It was highly out of the ordinary for an organization, even the Air Force, to have proportional-spaced fonts for someone to work with," said Allan Haley, director of words and letters at Agfa Monotype in Wilmington, Mass. "I'm suspect in that I did work for the U.S. Army as late as the late 1980s and early 1990s and the Army was still using [fixed-pitch typeface] Courier."
Where was that despicable, self aggrandizing, lying, backstabbing, seditious traitor with a huge Walter Mitty complex - Hanoi John Kerry - during his time as an officer in our Navy's active reserve?
He was too busy committing sedition by meeting with North Vietnamese officials in France and Canada, too busy committing treason by giving aid and comfort to the enemy as spokesman for the VVAW to attend any drills.
"O.K., that's step one. Now, does anyone know or can anyone point to instructions on how the Executive worked? If it was a giant pain, like the Composer, it would be very unlikely that anyone in Bush's Guard office sat around all day typing memos to their personal files with it. However, if the proportional spacing was incredibly easy to use, then the documents would be more likely to be authentic.
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I don't have a manual, but I did use the Executive. Proportional printing was automatic. You just typed. Now, if you wanted to justify, you had to type the document twice, and figure out where to put the spacing so the lines would end in the same place. That was a pain. But typing this memo would have been just like typing it on any other typewriter.
My husband was in the AirForce and he said 1st was never used to his knowledge. He believed it should be 1Lt. or 1/Lt. In most of the documents it seems to be 1Lt.
Thanks, btw. I appreciate your input. :)
thanks. I found another copy where he corrected the typo.
We NEVER used a leading zero while I was in the Air Force. More signs of a forgery.
Killian has the "y" from "Jerry" be the starting point for the "K" in "Killian." That's what gives the long diagonal part of his "K" its particular curvature: it started from the lower left. In the signature over the proportional font, it looks like it was written starting from the upper right. It is concave upwards, like it's trying to reach the vertical line, rather than get away from it as in the first sample. Another reason is probably started in the upper right corner is that it is directly connected to the other diagonal line.
The first signature looks more efficient too. I wonder if he did the 'V' part of the "K" as part of "Jerry," then did the "c" first before completing the "K." In the second one, it's mostly a blob, but the starting point for the second part of the "K" is so much farther away. Besides, the second signature looks like it's squeezed together to fit the proportional font. I wonder why that one doesn't have "TexANC" underneath it either.
Perhaps someone else picked up on this, but in case they didn't, DID THEY HAVE ZIP CODES IN 1972? The letters all have a zip code at the top. I don't remember zip codes that far back.
Simple Question:
Who is the Source for these memos?
When tracking down art forgeries, they speak of
"provenance". Who had these documents and what files are they supposed to be from?
"The experts also raised questions about the military's typewriter technology three decades ago. Collins said word processors that could produce proportional-sized fonts cost upwards of $20,000 at the time.
"I'm not real sure that you would have that kind of sophistication in the office of a flight inspector in the United States government," Showker said.
"The only thing it could be, possibly, is an IBM golf ball typewriter, which came out around the early to middle 1970s," Haley said. "Those did have proportional fonts on them. But they weren't widely used."
I believe the documents in question are justified text (force fit on the line). It has been noted in the thread that the technology to do that probably wasn't readily available at that time.
I don't recall ever seeing a curly apostrophe from a typewriter.
I think the Selectric balls had different symbols that you could choose. Mine used to have a curly apostrophe because I hated the straight single quote.
If I were a soccer mom, I would be ashamed to not think for one's self. Soccer Moms WAKE UP! Your being used by the libs to make you look stupid.
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