Posted on 09/09/2004 7:33:57 AM PDT by TastyManatees
New Questions On Bush Guard Duty
CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.
While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.
Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.
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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."
Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."
Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.
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Obviously I made a mistake.
"You need to prove these are real. There is no evidence that they are.
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I don't need to prove anything. It's not my battle. I'm just pointing out that these typographical things are not absolute proof of forgery. There's so much misinformation here about typewriters that I'm just amazed.
I've used the IBM Executive typewriter, and it could have produced these documents. They existed in large numbers at the time these memos were prepared. Was one used to produce the memos? I have no way of knowing that. It is POSSIBLE, though.
I'm not defending anyone. I'm just providing pertinent information.
Wow!
Look at the letter "y" in the word "obviously" in line 1 and the word "today" in line 5.
Totally different fonts!
-PJ
Good graphics. Fox news just cannot leave this story along today. Someone is repeating it every 10 minutes.
"My IBM Selectric doesn't do "th" superscripts. And the typefact that looks like Times Roman has a straight apostrophe, not a curled one."
I don't understand why people keep talking about the Selectric. That's out of the picture, since it doesn't have proportional spacing. What your Selectric ball has on it is irrelevant.
The only common machine that produced proportional typing at that time was the IBM Executive typewriter. Did it have curly apostrophe's? I can't remember.
My understanding is that they were from personal files maintained by a person who died long ago. If they are, in fact, from the Pentagon, then we have a whole different story.
To say nothing of the fact that the Dem TH's obviously don't read the facts so they can distance themselves from reality. Nothing is more frustrating then to hear them out on the stump spewing stuff that is absolutely not the truth. And then they feign ignorance. Did you notice that NONE of the democrats on the tube have ever admitted seeing 911? Everyone I have heard questioned about it says, "Well, I don't know because I didn't see it and therefore have no comments!" What a crock!
Your summary is baloney. The only thing at issue here is whether Killian had an IBM Executive typewriter with a TimesNew Roman type ball. (And whether these memos were typed on it.)
The discussion of typewriter technology is pretty much settled. What isn't settled is whether these letters (provided by someone named Killian, and known Bush hater) are completely authentic. Since they are not the originals, they could have been modified and re-copied.
Boy they covered their butts. Attributed EVERYTHING to CBS
Great! It really helps to ping the entire world! :)
The typewriter in question is more likely to be the "Executive," than the uncommon "Selectric-Composer." The "Executive" predates the Selectric, and the Executive employs proportional spacing.
I believe with the IBM Selectric, the balls used could be any font. Replace the Selectric ball, replace the font. I used to have to do this to type letters in Spanish and French.
In looking at the font, it doesn't seem to be one that I wouldn't have used back then. Sorry but very few items were actually monospace with the Selectric. An old-style typewriter would be a different story.
"The typewriter in question is more likely to be the "Executive," than the uncommon "Selectric-Composer." The "Executive" predates the Selectric, and the Executive employs proportional spacing.
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Couldn't be the Selectric Composer, since it wasn't introduced until later than this. The only typewriter it could have been is the IBM Executive.
Now, if we can just get a type sample from one to compare, we'll have a better idea.
The website also has the "Executive". Pics are small though.
Well, somebody said Rather was on all three networks this morning, hawking this story. I'd just as soon hang it around his neck if it's true.......LOL.
Brainstorming. All possible explanations need to be considered even if they're extremely unlikely.
I don't understand why people keep talking about the Selectric. That's out of the picture, since it doesn't have proportional spacing.O.K., for the umpteenth freaking time. Here is a link to the IBM Selectric Composer (with pictures and instructions!), the top-o-da-line IBM that actually had proportional spacing. You may note that it was introduced in 1966, and that it took a crew of twelve to make proportional spacing work (and even then, the job took about a week).
Don't forget that one of the people who stood by Kerry back during the 70's was with him on the stage of his convention. He is a KNOWN Communist sympathyzer. Better yet...I will just post some info here for you that is a must read.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40304
Read about Bangert and then do a google search for the rest of the story. It is absolutely frightening to think who Kerry would appoint to office if he were elected President. Talk about selling the country out!
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