New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]

CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

[TastyManatees]

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

[mass55th]

Have you seen these documents apparently obtained by someone in Iowa in 2000?:

Click Here

I've gone through all of them and have not found one that matches the same type used in the CBS memos.

[Be Free]

How would one go about getting copies of other memos from Killian during the same period in time? If EVERY other memo they can find shows mono-type fonts and no superscripting, and only THESE memos specific to Pres. Bush are proportional space and superscript, that would SCREAM OUT that these are forgeries.

FOIA perhaps?

[Bryher1]

In another shocking development... it was just noticed that in the Declarartion of Independence, Jefferson was apparently using Word

We^the People,

[cyncooper]

Not to burst your bubble but these documents were released by the Pentagon. Is the Pentagon in on this conspiracy?

I'm afraid it is I who must burst yours (and you'll note I'm not on the "they're forgeries" train):

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

excerpt:

But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

~snip~

In case the meaning zipped by you, CBS did not possess Killian's file, they were given documents by *somebody* (they don't name this entity) who represented the origins of the memos as coming from Killians personal file.

Since, as I've pointed out, the documents buttress George W. Bush, I don't see the point of why someone would concoct them, but you are wrong to say they came from the Pentagon and the sourcing is pure.

[steve-b]

FWIW, when I was in the Army, memos and forms would be dated 4 May 1972 never, ever, "04 May 1972". The leading zero on the date is very suspicous to me. Anyone else smell a rat, or is just me?

IIRC, this was one of the clues used to debunk a batch of "Majestic-12 documents" circulated by some flying saucer crank about ten years ago.

[js1138]

Read the bolded, and tell me if it's within the bounds of reality that this procedure was performed on this arcane machine for a memorandum in the ANG in 1972.

Calm down. The documents in question are not justified. There is a difference between proportional type and justification. You can have either one without the other.

[Conservative4Ever]

I am not surprised that this is being tried, look who the Kerry campaing has hired to manage it. The Clinton gang.

Red

[ableChair]

My initial impressions of the Machiavellian import of this story was that it had little worth due to the minor nature of the 'infraction'; especially in light of the seriousness of Kerry's record and behavior: Most Americans would simply ignore this story as an old, already discussed, minor issue. But now we have something that can put Kerry on the defensive. Based on comments by Dems recently I suspected that fraud was about to perpetrated on Bush. I think this is the beginning of it and we need to find out who forged this as it could serve as yet another huge boost to Bush. But I agree with others that the first place to start is to get it mentioned by Rush or Hannity. This story carries enormous risk for the Kerry campaign and we should exploit that.

[Darksheare]

Eh?

[Conspiracy Guy]

The only handwriting is the Signature.

[HangThemHigh]

In the 2nd paragraph of the 04 May letter, 111th is shown with a superscripted th and it looks to me like the font is a slightly reduced size. Is that possible on a typewriter?

[archy]

The Wang word processor hit the markets in 1976. Prior to that, there were other word processors, but I don't know anything about them.

As I recall, the word processor that had the corner on the legal market at that time was Vydec -- a large, brutish machine whose biggest drawback was that each page had to be stored individually (no automatic pagination). If you forgot to save the page, you lost everything, and there was no way to get it back other than to retype it.

We got a Compugraphic word processor/typesetter for use in our newspaper's newsroom in the early 1980s, and they may have had some predecessor models available in the 1970s, though those machines were pretty crude.

I might accept the idea of a Compugraphic being in regular use in a USAF PAO office of the period, but probably not by a fighter squadron's clerk. Of course, it might also be possible that someone in a newsroom with some old equipment around might have been willing to help fake some anti-Bush *evidence*....

Timeline of a few technologies of the period, wordmanglers and otherwise:

1972

Friden JustoWriter

Compugraphic 4961TL mini-computer with Intermec OCR paper tape keyboards

Varityper 1010 Cold Type composition system

1973

Compugraphic CompuWriter II with MagSet magnetic tape cassettes

Varityper headliner

1974

Compugraphic ACM 9000 area composition system

Mergenthaler VIP Variable Input Phototypesetter

CompStar 191 photosetter

Addressograph Multigraph 710 editing station with 64 character CRT

1975

Harris 2200 Display Ad workstations

Autologic APS CRT typesetter

Volt Information Sciences Yellow Pages pagination software

DEC PDP-8 minicomputers

1976

CCI-400 multi-terminal composition system with Lear Siegler dumb terminals and paper tape punches

Data General Nova 2 minicomputer running CCI OS

1977

Imsai 8080 microcomputer

Apple II personal computer

1978

Infomix text programming language

VisiCalc spreadsheet program

DEC PDP-8 timesharing system running RTOS real time operating system

Prime minicomputer running PRIMOS

Mergenthaler Linotron 202 CRT typesetter

Shaffstall media conversion system

Xerox 9700 laser printer

1979

DARPANET timesharing account

DEC VAX minicomputers running VMS

Information International Inc. VideoComp CRT typesetter

Penta minicomputer typesetting system

Kurzweil OmniFOnt OCR system

1980

Radio Shack TRS 100 color computer

Data General Nova 3 minicomputer running CCI OS and RDOS

CompuScan OCR system

C and Pascal programming languages

[js1138]

Please see 198 for your professional input.

Having a special "th" key does not mean that every typest will use it.

[MeekOneGOP]

LOL! Great cartoon. And so true.

I ALWAYS think about Gunga Dan's stupid statement to Bill O'Reilly when
Mr. O asked him if he thought bill clintoon was an honest man. What a fool:

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Media Research Center:
Dan Rather on Bill Clinton:
"I think he’s an honest man."

   O’Reilly: "I want to ask you flat out, do you think President Clinton’s an honest man?"
    Rather: "Yes, I think he’s an honest man."
    O’Reilly: "Do you, really?"
    Rather: "I do."
    O’Reilly: "Even though he lied to Jim Lehrer’s face about the Lewinsky case?"
    Rather: "Who among us has not lied about something?"
    O’Reilly: "Well, I didn’t lie to anybody’s face on national television. I don’t think you have, have you?"
    Rather: "I don’t think I ever have. I hope I never have. But, look, it’s one thing-"
    O’Reilly, jumping in: "How can you say he’s an honest guy then?"
    Rather: "Well, because I think he is. I think at core he’s an honest person. I know that you have a different view. I know that you consider it sort of astonishing anybody would say so, but I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things."
    O’Reilly: "Really?!?"
    Rather: "Yeah, I do."
    O’Reilly: "See, I can’t. I want my government to be honest across-the-board. I don’t want people lying."

[fight_truth_decay]

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[Howlin]

I am not familiar with that one; how would it work?

[Robert A Cook PE]

Sure.

Look at post number 401.

[Bryher1]

Sorry, I was just joking on the superscript info... I'm actually trying to find any original documents from the Kent State shootings by the Ohio National Guard... maybe compare what typewriters they were using with the Bush documents...

[GOPcapitalist]

Here's another error on CBS Document 1:

Though it is crossed out by marker, the mailing address is still clearly visible showing "5000 Longmont #8" in Houston.

PROBLEM: Bush did not live at "5000 Longmont #8" on May 4, 1972!

Authentic documents released by the military for that period show him living at "2910 Westheimer Rd Apt 4" in 1972. Bush lived at Longmont from 1968 to 1970 when he moved to a location at 5320 Beverly Hill Street, according to the pentagon records. He then moved to Westheimer in 1972 according to the mailing addresses on the pentagon records.

[Tennessean4Bush]

Did you just hear what Harkin said about these? He says it shows proof that we can not trust Bush to be honest. That sort of says it all, doesn't it?

Yes, but Harkin has been saying that for 5 years now about every factoid or proported factoid that hits the news. The democrats have innoculated Bush from virtually all scandal by their unrelenting bashing for the last 12 months. The general public is just rolling their eyes at this.