Okay, so I'm a selfish hedonist for supporting Alan Keyes for U.S. Senate

Vanity | Sept 2, 2004 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

Okay, so I'm a Selfish Hedonist for supporting Alan Keyes for U.S. Senate

Nothing (well almost nothing) would please me more than seeing Alan Keyes win a seat in the U.S. Senate!

Why?

• He's a God-fearing man
• He's an unabashed conservative
• He defends America and traditional American values
• He would be a pro-life vote in the Senate
• He would be a pro-family vote in the Senate
• He would be a pro-gun vote in the Senate (he's one of the few who is unafraid to express and stand for the true meaning and intent of the second amendment)
• He is a true advocate of the principles stated in the Declaration of Independence
• He would be a pro-tax cut vote in the Senate
• He would be a pro-defense vote in the Senate
• He would be a pro-sovereignty vote in the Senate
• He would be a pro-limited government vote in the Senate
• He would be a pro-self-government vote in the Senate
• He would be a Senate vote opposing liberal activist judges
• He would be a vote in the Senate for an eventual repeal of the 16th amendment
• He would be a vote in the Senate for an eventual repeal of the 17th amendment
• He's a far, far better man than his opponent on every issue near and dear to my heart

And despite his remarks on reparations or affirmative action, I would be extremely happy and take great pleasure in seeing Alan Keyes defeat Barack Obama. I believe whole heartedly that unlike Obama, Senator Keyes would preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America to the utmost of his ability and would dedicate himself to working with all of us in securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, and if that makes me a selfish hedonist, then so be it.



I challenge anyone here to put up a detailed list of the reasons why you believe Barack Obama would be better for America in the Senate than Alan Keyes.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Is he better than Obama? Of course he is and I would vote for him if I lived in Illinois.

That said, I don't like him, trust him, or think he is all he claims to be. Talk is cheap.

[crude77]

Well, two things are true:
1) I am a Keyster going all the way back to 1996.(Having said that, I did vote for "W" and I thank God everyday that He and not Gore is in the Oval Office.
2)For the life of me I cannot understand why the republican party does not get this man into a position that would shine the msm spotlight on him.

During the 2000 primaries I taped some of his appearances and showed them to some folks in small town Texas. The response was overwhelmingly positive. (Except that no one had heard of him till that point).

One last thing. Regarding reparations, I keep hearing about 40 acres and a mule. Can anyone educate me about this. Was there ever any actual legislation regarding this or was this something akin to a campaign promise.

Greg

[k2blader]

*LOL*!!!

Go, Keyes, go!!!

[Gelato]

Ditto bump

Well said!!

[Chapita]

In complete agreement!

[Iscool]

I really don't understand the view that an extreme conservative like Keyes makes less extreme conservatives look more extreme.

I don't see Keyes as an "extreme" conservative at all...He's just conservative...A Republican is either conservative, or less than conservative...

Isn't it funny how people invent phrases to made the "normal" look extreme to justify themselves???

GO, KEYES, GO...

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

I have a few questions that I believe should also be asked.

1. Since Alan seems to be able to choose what state to represent in the Senate, wouldn't it be wiser to pick one where his odds are better?

2. Has experience not shown Keyes that politics is a game of give and take and if one SINCERELY wants to be elected, he has to get along with others? (And I do not mean compromising principles)

3. Has anyone on FR suggested that Obama would be the better pick?

4. Is there an expectation here to accept everything Alan Keyes says and does because he is Alan Keyes?

[TomServo]

And despite his remarks on reparations or affirmative action, I would be extremely happy and take great pleasure in seeing Alan Keyes defeat Barack Obama.

Bump.

[Iscool]

I voted for Alan Keyes in the primary in 2000.

As did I...

[k2blader]

I don't see Keyes as an "extreme" conservative at all...He's just conservative...A Republican is either conservative, or less than conservative...

Yep.

[Jim Robinson]

1) I don't think he was looking for a state to run in, I believe the Illinois Republican Party chose him.

2) Guess he doesn't believe in going along to get along.

3) I don't know if anyone has actually said they'd rather support Obama over Keyes, but the words and deeds of some on FR demonstrate that they wouldn't mind and actually might think it's a good thing for Keyes losing to Obama.

4) I believe Keyes. It's a personal thing. You are entitled to your own opinion, but I'd rather not have a gang fight on every Keyes thread on this forum. Eating our own is not a conservative position.

[carenot]

So one could reasonably argue that, since Keyes is a less-than-optimal candidate, and would be handicapped while in office, it might be better in the long run to have the distasteful Obama elected, as it would increase the chances of a better Republican candidate than Keyes taking the seat 6 years down the road and keeping it for a good long time.

I would rather have Keyes now.

[k2blader]

Here's my shot at it:

1. Keyes didn't "pick" a state to represent. He was invited by the IL GOP.

2. When you say "And I do not mean compromising principles", what does that mean exactly? Maybe if an example were attached to it...

3. I've seen at least a few people on FR say they'd vote for Obama. I remember at least a few people saying they'd vote third party.

4. No, why would there be? But I think his critics' reasons for opposing him are focused far too much on disliking his personality rather than anything really substantial (issues-oriented).

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Eating our own is not a conservative position.

I couldn't agree more and think it would be a good lesson for Alan Keyes to learn also.

Yes, we each have our own opinion and I guess Keyes continues to be a polarizing person. Unless opinions are to be stifled, I am afraid he will always stir emotions, both pro and con.

However, no matter what I think of him, I would like to see him defeat Obama.

[1forallandall41]

What today classifies as the conservative position?

[Jim Robinson]

Alan Keyes supports the president and the war effort. I heard him on FOX News stating that our very survival as a nation and a free people is at stake and that he supports president Bush.

[kat1776]

i don't know much about alan keyes but i was a little wowed when i learned he wanted to eliminate the dept. of agriculture. I think that department is pretty important!

wow. i am sure there are other depts out there that ought to be cut first.

[carenot]

Would you have supported him in a primary challenge of the President from the right?.

I did.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

A wise person can hold fast to his/her convictions but still remain pleasant. Controlling a temper and an ego in the thick of a battle may be difficult, but necessary if one looks for respect from many.

If Keyes were simply a pundit or private person, his words would not be so critical.

He could avoid ceding a single element of his beliefs and still remain more likeable.

I believe he prides himself in his belittling and condescension. Consequently, he will never be elected, IMO.

Because of what I see as flaws that could be overcome with reasonable effort, I question whether or not Keyes wants the victory or just the benefits of the chase.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

What today classifies as the conservative position?

Ask the person who said it. I was responding to it.