TWO Russian Airliners Have Crashed.

[ConservativeMan55]

Per Foxnews Alert. Into the red sea.

60 people aboard the first one.

[Hollywoodghost]

What's happening in a few days? the Republican Convention in New York. The terrorists have a thing for New York! Watch out!

[Warren_Piece]

Which some people want to credit for every plane crash since Sept. 11th.

Speaking of, just last week I was commenting to my wife on how few American airline crashes there have been since 9/11. More attention to safety, perhaps?

[muleskinner]

Same airport. Night shift. One bomber, with access to luggage of both planes. That's what it'll be.

"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time is enemy action" - Auric Goldfinger

waiting for # 3

[prairiebreeze]

Good point. Could be both....

[texasflower]

I think she meant a signal for other operations to be launched as well.

[ChadGore]

Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families and to their grieving nation.

[swarthyguy]

Wouldn't fuel problems give 'em time to Mayday?

They wouldn't just fall out of the sky with bad fuel.

Only some form of a catastrophic breakup leaving no time for radio calls.

[Shermy]

Chechen election this weekend.

[bonfire]

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1712541

Here's the chat. It wouldn't open for me for a LONG time. They are discussing it now.

[COEXERJ145]

Don't be a smart ass. Go read accident reports and you'll see that in every crash where there are eye witnesses, a good number will say there was an explosion.

God, trying to discuss aviation with people who can't tell a 747 from an A340 is just about impossible.

Oh and for the record, I do NOT believe that TWA was shot down, either by the USN or by terrorists.

[JellyJam]

from AP:

ITAR-Tass now reporting that contact has been lost with a second plane. An earlier story said that second plane had crashed.

[BurbankKarl]

the last time two planes crashed like that was 9/11. there were bombs in the planes...or chechens stormed the cockpits and took them down

[Wolfstar]

Weather could be another possibility. There are all sort of things that could be possibilities. However, the odds of two airliners taking off from the same airport, then having accidents leading to crashes within a short time of each other several hundred miles apart are astronomical.

[Dog]

Keep an eye on Google News .....see if anything else is going down anywhere else.....Pakistan...Afghanistan...Saudi Arabia.

[poweqi]

Do the Russians use black boxes? Maybe there will be a clue.

[thelastvirgil]

If it's the Chechens, this should be very instructional to the handwringers of the world. And, I am so happy that I'm not a Muslim living anywhere in the range of a Russian weapon.

[MindBender26]

Even in many forms of structural failure, avionics still get power, at least for a while, so controllers see a huge course, speed and altitude change.

Takes a big bang to make it all disappear

[texasflower]

I didn't know that. Thanks.

[bonfire]

moscow airports closed

[sionnsar]

ok I am now reading that bad fuel can do this..

bad fuel would leave time for a mayday call, no?