Posted on 08/23/2004 4:34:27 PM PDT by Kaslin
redrock
Can you imagine JF'nK giving THK a kidney?
Precisely. Rush hits a homerun!
I was unable to listen today and therefore, I appreciate your posting this interview.
bttt
ping
Just sent my weekly $50 to SBVT.
The New Soldier by John Kerry and Vietnam Veterans Against the War
FREE Download of The New Soldier by John Kerry
and and Vietnam Veterans Against the War
Print and distibute the book that John Kerry "forgets" to mention!
The one book he refuses to bring up.
"honor" John Kerry
Help America know what a "hero" he was at the Winter Soldier
scam he and Jane Fonda pulled on the USA when he came home.
Make sure Kerry "fans" get their copy!
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf
"Phony Vietnam veterans alleged in books
Guenter Lewy's 1978 book America in Vietnam (pages 316-317) and B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley's Stolen Valor (Verity Press, Inc., Dallas, Texas)(pages 113, 131-137) contain similar information about alleged flaws in Lane's book. Neither book, however, refutes any of the testimony given during the Winter Soldier Investigation.
Lawyer and leftist activist Mark Lane was one of the organizers of Winter Soldier. In 1970, Lane had published a book called Conversations With Americans purporting to be interviews with Vietnam veterans about war crimes, containing Vietnam tales of atrocities. Reporter Neil Sheehan showed some interviewed in Lane's book had never served in Vietnam and others had not been in the situations they described. Lane admitted he did not check military records, as confirmation of details was not relevant. Lane later confirmed these militarty records.
The following are often falsely listed as being participants in Winter Soldier, but were actually in Lane's book instead. This confusion is probably due to Stolen Valor having an explanation of Lane's history within the section on Winter Soldier.
Chuck Onan, stock room clerk in Beaufort, S.C.
Michael Schneider, deserted in Europe and deserted again in the USA.
Terry Whitmore, was in an unpopulated area of Vietnam.
Garry Gianninoto, medical corpsman at battalion headquarters.
VVAW leader and Winter Soldier co-organizer Al Hubbard lied about being an officer, and sustaining war injuries - but he never testified at Winter Soldier .
According to the investigative work of Burkett, Lewy and others, there were many imposters, liars, and plain nutjobs who infiltrated the ranks of the anti-war movement, and, in some cases, testified to war crimes and atrocities that never occurred in order to get attention, sympathy, and, in one documented case, medals and honors."
http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/W/Winter-Soldier-Investigation.htm
Think O'Neill doesn't know how to paint the picture and win the sympathy of listeners to his side? Besides that, he just radiates honesty and character.
John Kerry and George Soros, you're overmatched. This man is just amazing.
"O'NEILL: Step number 1 is, he wounded himself that morning, and also with respect to this wounded and bleeding arm, the records show that the was contusion minor, small bruise treated with cold cloth. There was no wounded, bleeding arm. So the third Purple Heart that he picked up to leave Vietnam in this incident was a complete fraud.
RUSH: Do you think he was trying to get out of Vietnam?
O'NEILL: Without question, Rush. "
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O'Neill needs to clarify for the majority that whatever the wound from the rice incident, it did not qualify for a Purple Heart per regulations.
No it's not bad. The press is supposed to be skeptical, and that's OK. The problem is, they haven't been equally skeptical of Kerry's sea stories. That's actually OK, too. You can't expect any fairness from them. Every time one of the SVBT's appears on camera, though, ordinary people--many not conservative--who do want to honor a war hero get to see a real one. Only the most lefty partisans will compare Kerry favorably.
The fact that it's the top story every night means that at least the media isn't suppressing the story. Indeed, it has received more coverage than accusations that Bush skipped over a long line to get in the National Guard and then went to work on a campaign for a year.
Unfortunately, this isn't even close to being true. Last Thursday Brit Hume announced the results on a Nexus search of SBVT stories vs. "Bush AWOL" stories. The result: 75 Bush stories, 9 SBVT stories. And nerely all of the SBVT stories were covered only on FoxNews. When Kerry had to finally put out some of these fires late last week, the MSM outlets were forced to air their candidate commenting on a story none of them had even covered!
I'm just saying that, in the simpleton world of the media, these are both basically he said / she said situations, and the media has covered the Kerry story more -- which is a good thing, I think.
They haven't covered it more, and they haven't covered it fairly. The NYT article was a hit piece very nearly devoid of any news at all--ON PAGE ONE! My friend you need to be disabused. Only Brent Bozell III can save you from such egregious generousity toward the MSM. Please take a look here. Consider also this when you consider the question of fairness: The SBVT stories are aired by a group independent of the Bush campaign, and yet from Bush an apology is demanded. The Bush AWOL stories, by contrast, were floated by none other than Terry McAwful, head of the DNC. Think anybody's going to ask for an apology from him? Think John Kerry is ever going to apologize to Bush and praise his service? That's a demand I'd like to see MSM pundits and reporters make. Then we can talk about how even the treatment is.
John O'Neil. America's modern day Minuteman and Patriot. Thank you John.
"O'NEILL: That's a wonderful question. First of all, all of our guys say there was no second mine, as reported by Kerry. At least none of them heard it. There's no evidence of any damage to the Kerry boat from any second mine. Kerry produced a damage report, but it reflects injuries the day before to his boat, not that day. We know that from page 304 of his book Tour...."
So, maybe, Kerry dummied up the damage report to coincide with his dummied up report that the "fanny" wound occured during the fictional second mine accident.
Talking to some people, the thing they don't understand, including some who should know (:)), is why teh PH shouldn't have been awarded for the rice incident. Per rules it seems it was self-inflicted and not during the heat of battle so did meet the PH requirement, and could not be his ticket home.
With continued support like yours, Kerry's Swift boat will turn into the Titanic real soon!
Fair enough. However, there was no need to refute the testimony, because the "testimony" was not evidence: It was not taken under oath. When offered the opportunity [with immunity] to support their claims, the VVAW refused to do so. Since the investigation of atrocities often involves a crime scene terrifically confused by age, tampering, locality, and fabrication, physical evidence is often secondary to the accounts of eye-witnesses. The fact that none of the VVAW allowed themselves to be deponed under oath is, in itself, interesting.
But the people under 30 think that the "Big Fat Ugly White Man" is telling the truth about Bush.
It is up to us "baby boomer's" that still love America to defeat this lying, say anything to get elected, "Traitor".
Well put!
Yes I agree. I just sent them $25.00. Parley
I think you've got me a little wrong, which is partly my fault for writing sloppily. I didn't say the coverage of SBVT was fair; on the whole, I don't think it has been.
Now on the issue of QUANTITY of coverage, you note Brit Hume's Nexis search. Consider that Bush's AWOL/line-jump story has been out since 2000 (or was it 1999?) while the SBVT story has only been out for a couple of weeks. Also, I have read well over nine stories about SBVT in the past couple weeks, so I'm not sure how useful that number is. Even on MSNBC, this has been the top story just about every day on Hardball and Countdown. Yes, Matthews is infuriating sometimes and Olberman is about as snide a liberal as there is in the mainstream media. But that goes back to fairness of coverage, which I already conceded left much to be desired. And remember: if a story is repeated over and over again on TV, it starts to have an impact, even if those presenting it are biased. Surely, it has more of an impact than if those stories weren't reported at all, as I feared would happen.
Thanks for the link, by the way.
I, for one, don't really think it matters if Vietnam soldiers WERE committing war crimes, because I don't think the Geneva Conventions should take precedence over US sovereignty. I admit I don't know too much about the details here -- whether free fire zones really are "illegal" under international law, etc. -- but I don't care, either, except out of pure curiosity.
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