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Keyes: 'The victory is for God'
Chicago Sun Times ^ | August 22, 2004 | BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Religion Reporter

Posted on 08/22/2004 6:15:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: TheOldSchool; EternalVigilance; Aquinasfan; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; nopardons; Mo1; All
I am always disappointed when a candidate links God in some fashion with the outcome of an election. This is the tenant of the very religions we are in conflict with. Oh well, I wish him well.

Thanks for bringing this up. If you look at the words in question -- at the conclusion of his acceptance speech, you will see that what he was saying is, "I'll try my best and leave it in God's hands."

Whatever we do, for good or ill, God has the victory! Amen.

281 posted on 08/23/2004 2:50:14 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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"...and Amen!"
282 posted on 08/23/2004 2:50:46 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: unspun

LOL........that's funny.:-)


283 posted on 08/23/2004 2:52:45 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: unspun
John said you cannot love God and hate your brother.

Jesus said "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge; ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

284 posted on 08/23/2004 3:18:46 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
True Christians will recognize that, without Keyes having to say a word about it.

That's very true.

I wonder if there are Jewish, athiest, Muslim, or Buddhist Republicans in Illinois, and whether or not Keyes would welcome their vote?

I'm sorry, it's been a long day, and my mind takes odd paths even on the best of days...

285 posted on 08/23/2004 3:22:01 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Probably one of the most misused verses in the Bible.


286 posted on 08/23/2004 3:29:11 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Jorge
""The battle is for us, but I have confidence because the victory IS FOR GOD!" So I guess when Keyes loses we can say that God was defeated? Incredible. At least Keyes is consistant in his self-righteousness."

Doctor Keyes is stating a simple fact: That any victory is indeed up to God, NOT that any victory implies that "God is on our side."

287 posted on 08/23/2004 3:40:59 PM PDT by redhead (I've gone to look for myself. If I return before I get back, keep me here...)
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To: Aquinasfan
When people comment on an article that they haven't read, it makes them look silly.

When people comment on posts without actually answering what they say, let alone show they've read the article, it makes THEM look silly.

288 posted on 08/23/2004 4:13:43 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: redhead
Doctor Keyes is stating a simple fact: That any victory is indeed up to God, NOT that any victory implies that "God is on our side."

Sorry, that's not what he stated at all.

He said;
"The battle is for us, but I have confidence because the victory IS FOR GOD!"

Why would his confidence be connected to the victory being for God if he didn't believe God was on his side?
Your explanation defies any normal reading of his statement.

289 posted on 08/23/2004 4:18:57 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: thad5611
"To them stem cell research, or abortion is more important than the current war, free enterprise or tax cuts."

At the moment, the current war takes precedence, or none of us may exist tomorrow. At least for the time being both the war agaisnt abortion and the war against terrorism can't be fought simultaneously, don't your think? In fact we can fight on several fronts (ie. the war against the left) can we not?

290 posted on 08/23/2004 4:27:09 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Darlin' Arlen in November.....)
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To: EternalVigilance
Enlightening post, EV.

I am not crazy about the phrase in title, because it pits the religious against the non-religious, and I believe drives even some religious supporters away. It's rhetoric that is over the top and ineffective. I much prefer Reagan's style.

That said, I have heard Alan Keyes give some of the most patriotic speeches imaginable (without the use of religious rhetoric) and there wasn't a dry eye in the place. Plenty of people were in attendance and some of them included people who were not religious at all.

The interview he gave was to a religious publication, so what's the beef there?

I am in agreement with Keyes on almost all the issues. He isn't perfect. George Bush isn't perfect. (Reagan wasn't perfect though he came mighty close, LOL!) I much prefer them both to leftist Republicans like embarrasing "Not Guilty acording to Scottish Law" Specter and Olympia Snowe AND the leftist Democratic Party.

Given the choice between a leftist and a guy like Alan, I'd vote for Alan every time. Were I a resident of Illinois, I would be voting for Alan Keyes.

291 posted on 08/23/2004 4:50:36 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Darlin' Arlen in November.....)
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To: Amelia

That is an excellent question, Amelia.


292 posted on 08/23/2004 4:54:57 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Chalk up one more Obama vote, then...and a gleeful one at that. Jim: Just wanted to be sure you were following along... Oh, so you gotta go running to dad every time someone disagrees with you? Lots of republicans feel the same way, we have radio talkshow here that has a conservative panel on it each week, they all ripped Keyes. Its free speech man, get used to it, and either fight back or be quiet, but running to daddy every time someone disagrees with you makes you look very weak.
293 posted on 08/23/2004 5:04:22 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Everybody wants prostethic foreheads on their real heads...)
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To: Amelia
Jesus said "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge; ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

Yes, and that refers to whether or not we say someone is condemned or ultimately righteous in God's eyes. If you believe it refers to discernment about one's behavior or statements, please let me know. Also, refer to those who righteously had very harsh things to say about those who corrupt the Gospel, in the Epistles.

294 posted on 08/23/2004 5:07:31 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: thad5611
To them stem cell research, or abortion is more important than the current war, free enterprise or tax cuts.

I would vote for Keyes because he is trying to find a basic understanding of these issues. Even if he does read Hegel.

295 posted on 08/23/2004 5:15:22 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I see that you failed to mention that Keyes letter in support of Free Republic was from 2001.

All they had to do was follow RC's link.

I see you figured it out.

296 posted on 08/23/2004 5:26:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry - Vietnam's Benedict Arnold)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

The primaries are over.

We are no longer choosing which Republican candidate will run in the general election.

We are down to two people: a Republican and a Democrat.

So many people say that they will vote for Keyes, yet have bad things to say about only one candidate--Dr. Keyes.

With friends like these...


297 posted on 08/23/2004 5:41:19 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: unspun
Yes, and that refers to whether or not we say someone is condemned or ultimately righteous in God's eyes.

Was he saying God is on his side -- the side of the righteous -- and not on that of his Democratic opponent, Barack Obama, a man who professes the same Christian faith?

"Well, professing is the operative word," Keyes says, in a moment of snarkiness conspicuously absent from the rest of the interview.

I'm sure you'll now tell me I'm wrong, but that appears to be exactly what Keyes was doing.

And I know there's a difference between discernment and judging, but sometimes I think there's a fine line, and sometimes I think we are perhaps more discerning than Jesus was. He sat down to eat with prostitutes and tax collectors; some of us seem to want to avoid or condemn anyone who isn't as moral as we are.

All in all, it seems to me, it's much easier to act like the Pharisees than to act like Jesus.

298 posted on 08/23/2004 5:52:10 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands
Oh, so now that the primaries are over, we can't voice displeasure at someone like Keyes? Nothing good will come of this race, he will lose, he will lose the shreds of credibility he used to have, Obama will be empowered, and everyone will be laughing at the silliness of Keyes again. I don't care for Obama, but the issue is Keyes, I don't care for him, I think he is a nut.

Call me whatever you want, personalize your argument against me if you have to stoop there, but this is a lose-lose situation for republicans.

299 posted on 08/23/2004 5:58:05 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Everybody wants prostethic foreheads on their real heads...)
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To: Amelia
All in all, it seems to me, it's much easier to act like the Pharisees than to act like Jesus.

Of course, since Obama supports the literal sacrifice of infants' lives on the altar of convenience, he might better be compared to the worshippers of Moloch than either Jesus or the Pharisees.

I mean, the Pharisees were self-righteous hypocrites, yes, but even they weren't that corrupt.

300 posted on 08/23/2004 5:59:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry - Vietnam's Benedict Arnold)
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