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Keyes: 'The victory is for God'
Chicago Sun Times ^ | August 22, 2004 | BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Religion Reporter

Posted on 08/22/2004 6:15:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

First impressions can be misleading.

Two weeks ago, a wild-eyed Alan Keyes stood in front of news cameras in a hot, crowded Arlington Heights banquet hall sweating profusely, yelling and shaking his fist as he enthusiastically accepted the Republican nomination to run for U.S. Senate in Illinois.

"I will promise you a battle like this nation has never seen," Keyes shouted with the passion of a preacher talking about spiritual combat with the forces of evil, thrusting his fist heavenward for emphasis. "The battle is for us, but I have confidence because the victory IS FOR GOD!"

A few days after he delivered the fiery speech that was replayed time and again on television newscasts across the nation, a decidedly different Alan Keyes is seated behind the desk of a spartan office in what was until recently the Jack Ryan for Senate headquarters on North Clinton in Chicago.

On this particular afternoon, the 54-year-old Maryland conservative, political pundit and two-time presidential hopeful is about to spend more than an hour, one-on-one with a reporter, in an interview about his personal faith.

He's in tie and shirtsleeves, leaning back casually in his chair. Two small, gold charms -- a crucifix and twin Ten Commandment tablets -- that usually dangle from a long gold chain are tucked into his breast pocket, the chain pulled across his chest at an angle giving him just the faintest air of a bishop.

"The boss and the rules," he'll quip later as he pulls the charms out of his pocket and allows them to fall on top of his silk tie.

Whether his mood is irascible or reflective, Keyes, a lifelong Roman Catholic, wears his faith on his sleeve as well as around his neck.

When asked to describe himself spiritually, Keyes is reasoned, sincerely thoughtful and significantly more reserved than that man behind the lectern on TV.

"Well, in the fullest sense, I describe myself as a Christian," he says. "I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, came amongst men in order to redeem us from original sin and to offer us a way to his father, which he offered us in his words and examples and exposed to us the truth: that God loves us as individuals and knows our weaknesses because Christ has experienced them.

"And therefore, with really infinite understanding and mercy, is ready to welcome us into his home if we are willing to turn around and accept his grace," he says.

How does he define what a Christian is?

"One of the essential characteristics of Christianity is that it is about faith. Christ often says, 'Your faith has saved you,' to people. And that means that your willingness to acknowledge in truth the authority of God and the mercy of God in the person of Jesus Christ, is the route to salvation," he says, without hesitation.

"We are transformed by our knowledge of Christ, and that's why there is going to be a manifestation in us of that change, which shows itself in the different way we start to relate to people."

Cradle Catholic

Born in a New York military hospital in 1950 while his father was serving in Korea, Keyes describes himself as an "Army brat." Along with his sister and three brothers, he was raised on military bases across the United States, and, for a time, in Italy.

His parents, Alison and Gerthina, both now deceased, were converts to Roman Catholicism.

Keyes says his first concept of what God is like is inextricably bound to Catholicism.

"My earliest idea that I remember was Jesus Christ, he was my idea of what God was like," he says. "When you grow up Catholic, I remember being encouraged to think of Jesus as your friend. Just a friend, like the friends you had on the playground, or in school. And I can remember that that was a part of my developing thought life when I was a child, having conversations with Jesus in my head, as if he were one of my playmates. . . . He was a child, just like me."

And now what does he think God is like?

"He's grown up," Keyes, who is married with three children, says, busting out in a belly laugh. "He's grown up. And I hope, I've grown up a bit. But I think that depth of it hasn't changed. We go through 'times.' We advance, we retreat, we struggle, we wrestle."

Keyes insists his faith has remained fairly constant throughout his life, though there were times when he says he felt more distant from his faith than he does today.

"I think the Bible is right [when] it says that you raise up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it," Keyes says, paraphrasing a passage from the 22nd chapter of the Biblical book of Proverbs. "That obviously implies -- doesn't it? -- a kind of gap. There's something in youth that somehow implies that people do depart from it a little bit. But if you raise them in the way they should go, then the roots take over again. And one returns."

When he was a doctoral student in the late 1970s at Harvard working on his dissertation about constitutional theory, Keyes says, he struggled a bit spiritually.

"When you're a graduate student, you go through your ups and downs and sometimes you hit really great lows. Some people, as a result of that, give up and they never reach their degree," he recalls. "At a moment of crisis for me -- I'll never forget -- I was feeling just that low, sort of thinking, 'I've been working at it and I'm never going to finish and it's just hopeless.'

"I called my mom, and that conversation, in which she really did nothing but listen to me and remind me that I'd gotten through different things in my life through faith -- sparked an experience I still remember," he says, his voice breaking with emotion. "And it transformed my sense of what my faith meant to me."

He received his Ph.D. in government from Harvard in 1979. He also earned his undergraduate degree from Harvard in 1972.

Keyes describes a mild crisis of faith that had grown alongside his intellectual pursuits.

"In American academics, it's difficult to be a person of faith. There's a certain kind of patronizing, a sense of, 'Oh, you'll grow out of it,' " he says.

"So you begin to push your faith into the background, and maybe not really want to show it and so forth and so on. You start to doubt whether or not you are being intellectually honest if you are relying on premises of faith."

It's a conundrum Keyes seems to have resolved with a vengeance.

The word became flesh

Keyes would never make himself out to be some sort of Biblical scholar, but when it comes to Scripture, he knows what he's talking about.

He reads Greek -- he travels with a laptop loaded with Bible software, including a copy of the Septuagint, the Greek version of Hebrew Scriptures -- and can wax eloquent at length about the etymology of certain words and how they correspond to theological principles.

"I try to read or think about some element of the Bible every day," he says, leaning back in his office chair, and propping his feet up on the desk.

When asked what portion of the Bible he most enjoys reading, he says, without hesitation, "Genesis."

"I often tell people that my greatest problem in the Bible is that in any serious way I've never been able to get past Genesis," he says, chuckling. "Now, I have read the whole Bible and I read other books, but what I mean is the book that I keep going back to over and over again is Genesis.

"For the longest time, I was really going back over and over again, thinking and writing about, the creation myths, because it seemed to me that there's an enormous depth of kind of philosophical implication," he says.

In addition to his Biblical studies, Keyes is a philosophy buff.

"People will think this is strange I suppose, but . . . there are books like Kant's Critique of Pure Reason and Hegel's Logic and things like that, and every once in a while I get hit by this mood and I have to wrestle with these books that are very abstract and that are kind of philosophy in the viewless realms where you are really dealing with concepts that have no corresponding material images or anything to go along with it," he says, excitedly. "You just have to go with pure concepts to think about things. And I think, in the sense of that kind of philosophical thinking, meditation and reasoning, Genesis is an enormously powerful experience."

This launches Keyes into a 20-minute discussion of what he describes as his latest "breakthrough" in examining a portion of Biblical text.

Specifically, the candidate says for four or five months he had been reading, re-reading and picking apart several dozen verses from the 4th, 5th and 6th chapters of Genesis, beginning with one of those "begat" passages.

So and so, son of so and so, begat so and so, father of so and so, who begat.. ..

These particular begat passages start with a descendant of Cain, the son of Adam and Eve who murders his brother Abel, and end with Noah -- the fellow with the ark.

With an almost childlike enthusiasm, Keyes recounts how he traced the lineage of Noah and the descendants of Cain, examined the ancient roots of certain words, and learned, according to his interpretation, that God's covenant with Noah after the flood included the institution of capital punishment for the first time.

"It's fascinating, don't you think?" Keyes asks, smiling broadly, when he's concluded an exegesis of the text that, at least in its methodology, would give any seminary professor or preacher a serious run for his money.

A boundless sorrow

Keyes could be a preacher, a Biblical scholar, or professional apologist for Christ. But instead, he's chosen to enter the secular political realm.

Why choose a field that can so often obfuscate faith?

It's a question, apparently, that moves Keyes to tears.

His eyes turn red, he stops talking for several minutes, stares at the ceiling, drums his fingers on the desk, and apologizes for his loss of composure.

After several attempts to begin speaking, only to have his voice crack with emotion, Keyes tries again to explain what he's feeling.

"I'm sorry, I'm getting a grip," he says, eyes red with tears. "When I was young, I encountered a problem, I guess. A challenge. And I guess it was an encounter that disillusioned me, yes, in the literal sense. And that was my first encounter with the reality -- intellectually and emotionally . . ." he pauses again, his voice trailing off for a few moments. " . . . Of what the slave experience meant to my ancestors. And I think I've been working that out ever since.''

When pressed to explain just what this "encounter" was, Keyes reveals that it was, in fact, an intellectual incident.

When he was about 15, he read Lerone Bennett's book Before the Mayflower: A History of the Negro in America, 1619-1964. And it broke his heart, he says.

"It's sorrow," he says, explaining why 40 years later he's still so emotional about something he read as a teenager. "It's not a sorrow for yourself, it's not a sorrow for individuals, it's a sorrow for the reality of our kind of sad experience . . . of life without God."

And it's that sorrow and outrage that in part has led him into politics, Keyes says.

"It's a problem of justice and to understand it and resolve it somehow is not an intellectual exercise. You have to meet the challenge of it in your own time and life. And at some level, that's what politics remains at its heart, in America," he explains.

"It's impossible to be a Christian and really live out your relationship with God apart from life and action," he says. "And that action requires that you kind of be aware of and sensitive to how in fact the injustice that was involved in slavery is like one of those difficult plants where you cut off what appears on the surface but the root is still there. And it springs up again in another place, in what seems like another form, but it is the same evil. It's the same root."

Christus victor?

So, what did he mean, exactly, back at that podium in Arlington Heights, when he exclaimed that "the victory is for God"?

Was he saying God is on his side -- the side of the righteous -- and not on that of his Democratic opponent, Barack Obama, a man who professes the same Christian faith?

"Well, professing is the operative word," Keyes says, in a moment of snarkiness conspicuously absent from the rest of the interview.

"I thought it was pretty clear. Maybe it wasn't," he says, reflecting on his acceptance speech a few days earlier. "What I meant by it was the victory is in God's hands for his will and decision. That's why I couldn't promise it to people. I might lose. I don't know. None of us knows.

"The notion that you can stand there and say, 'Rah! We're gonna win!' I know you're supposed to do that, but I find it very difficult to say stuff that I know, even if it's rhetorical, is not true," he says.

Keyes is puzzled by the idea that some people would be afraid of the notion of "God on our side."

"I rather want people to think God is on their side, because that means they know he's watching them, and that his rules still apply to what they do," he says, smiling. "I hope that's the result."

"I often tell people that my greatest problem in the Bible is that in any serious way I've never been able to get past Genesis. Now, I have read the whole Bible and I read other books, but what I mean is the book I keep going back to over and over again is Genesis."

http://www.suntimes.com/output/falsani/cst-nws-keyes22.html


TOPICS: Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: keyes; thengodmustbealoser
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ALAN KEYES' STATEMENT TO THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS REGARDING FREE REPUBLIC

241 posted on 08/23/2004 6:26:35 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (No, brave, free, reporter in Baghdad, reading daily AP news wires - that is *not* "ALL from Iraq.")
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To: EternalVigilance

I am always disappointed when a candidate links God in some fashion with the outcome of an election. This is the tenant of the very relegions we are in conflict with. Oh well, I wish him well.


242 posted on 08/23/2004 6:34:18 AM PDT by TheOldSchool
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To: CWOJackson

Where the hell have you been?


243 posted on 08/23/2004 6:50:27 AM PDT by jmc813 (CAN YOU MAKE THE SAME CLAIM;ARE YOU A VIRGIN?)
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To: thad5611
"Ok, if Trotsky claimed to be a Repbulican we should just shutup and support him?"

Trotsky's a commie. Keyes is a libertarian. You talk about him like he was an authoritarian. Do you know the difference?

244 posted on 08/23/2004 7:02:43 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: nopardons
Are YOU going to just spend YOUR time harassing FReepers who refuse to praise Keyes to the skies and totally ignore the facts they post,or are YOU going to do something of merit with your energy? Just WHAT,in REAL LIFE have you done to help Keyes in Ill.?

Numerous things, np, thank you for holding me accountable. I won't take up the time to list them here, though. ;-`

I'm not asking you to praise Keyes to the skies, of course. I'm just asking you to get your priorities together.

245 posted on 08/23/2004 7:32:27 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Amelia
I think it's a snarkiness thing. Just like in this interview he couldn't refrain from a nasty-sounding jibe, given any length of time he's going to be saying rude things about someone else, and that someone else is likely as not going to be another Republican.

The only person I recall him being negative about in the article is his opponent. He has more to do there, God bless him in it.

Please have a chat with the other Keyesgripers about using your time to actually help (not tear down) candidates where you live.

246 posted on 08/23/2004 7:34:55 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Another campaigner heard from. If he did what you are saying, I would really be irritating about him, too.


247 posted on 08/23/2004 7:37:33 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Central Scrutiniser; Jim Robinson
This guy is nut, and he ain't gonna win, thank God!

Chalk up one more Obama vote, then...and a gleeful one at that.

Jim: Just wanted to be sure you were following along...

248 posted on 08/23/2004 8:07:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry - Vietnam's Benedict Arnold)
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To: TheOldSchool
Oh well, I wish him well.

As do I.

249 posted on 08/23/2004 8:09:06 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry - Vietnam's Benedict Arnold)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl

Thank you for your encouraging words. They mean alot to me, truly. You're one of my all-time favorite FReepers, RC.

Hope you don't mind, but I think I'll post Alan's FR defense here in lieu of your link. The lurkers need to see it:



STATEMENT BY ALAN KEYES TO THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS:

"During the past several years I have enjoyed and greatly appreciated the forum FreeRepublic.com has given to many thousands of people to exchange views and information on issues close to their hearts. I have enjoyed meeting the people who maintain the site, and been privileged to attend events where I could meet in person some of the people who participate in it regularly. Though they come from all regions and backgrounds, they seemed to have one thing in common -- a strong love of liberty and the American institutions that embody and preserve it. They responded with special enthusiasm to the message of responsibility and respect for innocent life that I have tried to represent in American politics, and yes, they responded with a special sense of grief and indignation to Bill Clinton's betrayal of the standards of integrity needed to maintain American freedom.

I believe that the "Freepers" by and large embody the idea of vigilant, responsible and patriotic citizenship essential to healthy self-government. They have been especially effective at organizing themselves to use the opportunities for peaceful expression and activism too many Americans take for granted and therefore neglect. I feel great pride and affection when I reflect upon their example of effective citizenship. They are the kind of people we shall need to restore and perpetuate our free republic.

Obviously the folks who maintain the site cannot prevent abuses by some individuals. But to my knowledge they have established and applied responsible standards intended to assure that the site, while respecting free expression and a robust exchange of views, weeds out and discourages such abusers.

In sum, I am grateful for the existence of this citizens' forum and proud to count myself among its members and supporters."


250 posted on 08/23/2004 8:13:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry - Vietnam's Benedict Arnold)
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To: unspun

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1193447/posts

The reparations issue.
That's one of the few things I will fault Keyes for, is the apparent over-estimation of the public. Sadly many are ill-equipped for discussion for the sake of discussion or exchange of ideas.


251 posted on 08/23/2004 9:34:28 AM PDT by visualops (Deja moo: the feeling you've seen this bull before...)
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To: EternalVigilance

"and learned, according to his interpretation, that God's covenant with Noah after the flood included the institution of capital punishment for the first time."

What a biblically ignorant paternalistic spin on things. Keyes follows the longstanding ancient Jewish and Christian interpretation of the Genesis 9 passage (which really doesn't require much interpretation at all, merely humble obedience) which says,

6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made man." (Gen 9:6)

But of course we can't expect a journalist to know anything at all about that book found in every hotel room in America.


252 posted on 08/23/2004 9:34:35 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: unspun; Mo1; Amelia; central scrutinizer
I think Alan Keyes gets under some folks skin. Maybe it's a conscience thing. (No aspersions on anyone in particular.)

I won't cast aspersions either - but I always find it interesting that people cannot accept what has been articulated. We certainly all have moral failings, as does Dr. Keyes - but that's not it. Really.

253 posted on 08/23/2004 9:39:44 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: AnalogReigns

As Charleston Heston once said (and we all know his bona fides with God):

"Soylent Green is people!!!!"


254 posted on 08/23/2004 9:40:05 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint

LOL


255 posted on 08/23/2004 9:40:55 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: thad5611

"I would like to add, if I had a choice between the Moslim 13th century, or the Christian 2nd centry, I would choose the former every time."

The Moslem 13th Century saw conquest and oppression of Turkish empire builders...who tried to conquor Europe, forcing any other religion into at least 2nd class status. Like today, conversion by a Moslem to Christianity then was a capital offense.

The Christian 2nd Century, was one of pagan Rome, where Christians had no political power what-so-ever, and were a severely persecuted (and often executed) minority.

A school boy's knowlege of history should know at least that.


256 posted on 08/23/2004 9:45:37 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: CWOJackson
For a moment I thought you had gone over to the dark side

No I'm safe .. I'll never live up to their standards anyhow

257 posted on 08/23/2004 10:01:29 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

I am so glad that Bush has chosen good and intelligent people in his campaign.

Can you imagine if Carl Rove and Karen Hughes were so rude as to call anyone who didn't follow in lockstep with Bush a RINO and idiot? Imagine the massive loss and backlash we would have if Bush said that his win would be a victory for God.


258 posted on 08/23/2004 10:18:35 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Dear GOP Convention Protesters: I have Manolo Blahniks and I am not afraid to use them.)
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To: asmith92008
See, I liked Bush as well. It's just that he's been hugely disappointing in office.

As I said, we're not even remotely on the same page. I couldn't be happier with President Bush. You think he's been a huge dissapointment, and in my world, he's been more successful than I even hoped.

259 posted on 08/23/2004 10:25:38 AM PDT by Melas
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To: EternalVigilance

I see that you failed to mention that Keyes letter in support of Free Republic was from 2001.


260 posted on 08/23/2004 10:36:49 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Dear GOP Convention Protesters: I have Manolo Blahniks and I am not afraid to use them.)
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