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Keyes: 'The victory is for God'
Chicago Sun Times ^ | August 22, 2004 | BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Religion Reporter

Posted on 08/22/2004 6:15:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

First impressions can be misleading.

Two weeks ago, a wild-eyed Alan Keyes stood in front of news cameras in a hot, crowded Arlington Heights banquet hall sweating profusely, yelling and shaking his fist as he enthusiastically accepted the Republican nomination to run for U.S. Senate in Illinois.

"I will promise you a battle like this nation has never seen," Keyes shouted with the passion of a preacher talking about spiritual combat with the forces of evil, thrusting his fist heavenward for emphasis. "The battle is for us, but I have confidence because the victory IS FOR GOD!"

A few days after he delivered the fiery speech that was replayed time and again on television newscasts across the nation, a decidedly different Alan Keyes is seated behind the desk of a spartan office in what was until recently the Jack Ryan for Senate headquarters on North Clinton in Chicago.

On this particular afternoon, the 54-year-old Maryland conservative, political pundit and two-time presidential hopeful is about to spend more than an hour, one-on-one with a reporter, in an interview about his personal faith.

He's in tie and shirtsleeves, leaning back casually in his chair. Two small, gold charms -- a crucifix and twin Ten Commandment tablets -- that usually dangle from a long gold chain are tucked into his breast pocket, the chain pulled across his chest at an angle giving him just the faintest air of a bishop.

"The boss and the rules," he'll quip later as he pulls the charms out of his pocket and allows them to fall on top of his silk tie.

Whether his mood is irascible or reflective, Keyes, a lifelong Roman Catholic, wears his faith on his sleeve as well as around his neck.

When asked to describe himself spiritually, Keyes is reasoned, sincerely thoughtful and significantly more reserved than that man behind the lectern on TV.

"Well, in the fullest sense, I describe myself as a Christian," he says. "I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, came amongst men in order to redeem us from original sin and to offer us a way to his father, which he offered us in his words and examples and exposed to us the truth: that God loves us as individuals and knows our weaknesses because Christ has experienced them.

"And therefore, with really infinite understanding and mercy, is ready to welcome us into his home if we are willing to turn around and accept his grace," he says.

How does he define what a Christian is?

"One of the essential characteristics of Christianity is that it is about faith. Christ often says, 'Your faith has saved you,' to people. And that means that your willingness to acknowledge in truth the authority of God and the mercy of God in the person of Jesus Christ, is the route to salvation," he says, without hesitation.

"We are transformed by our knowledge of Christ, and that's why there is going to be a manifestation in us of that change, which shows itself in the different way we start to relate to people."

Cradle Catholic

Born in a New York military hospital in 1950 while his father was serving in Korea, Keyes describes himself as an "Army brat." Along with his sister and three brothers, he was raised on military bases across the United States, and, for a time, in Italy.

His parents, Alison and Gerthina, both now deceased, were converts to Roman Catholicism.

Keyes says his first concept of what God is like is inextricably bound to Catholicism.

"My earliest idea that I remember was Jesus Christ, he was my idea of what God was like," he says. "When you grow up Catholic, I remember being encouraged to think of Jesus as your friend. Just a friend, like the friends you had on the playground, or in school. And I can remember that that was a part of my developing thought life when I was a child, having conversations with Jesus in my head, as if he were one of my playmates. . . . He was a child, just like me."

And now what does he think God is like?

"He's grown up," Keyes, who is married with three children, says, busting out in a belly laugh. "He's grown up. And I hope, I've grown up a bit. But I think that depth of it hasn't changed. We go through 'times.' We advance, we retreat, we struggle, we wrestle."

Keyes insists his faith has remained fairly constant throughout his life, though there were times when he says he felt more distant from his faith than he does today.

"I think the Bible is right [when] it says that you raise up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it," Keyes says, paraphrasing a passage from the 22nd chapter of the Biblical book of Proverbs. "That obviously implies -- doesn't it? -- a kind of gap. There's something in youth that somehow implies that people do depart from it a little bit. But if you raise them in the way they should go, then the roots take over again. And one returns."

When he was a doctoral student in the late 1970s at Harvard working on his dissertation about constitutional theory, Keyes says, he struggled a bit spiritually.

"When you're a graduate student, you go through your ups and downs and sometimes you hit really great lows. Some people, as a result of that, give up and they never reach their degree," he recalls. "At a moment of crisis for me -- I'll never forget -- I was feeling just that low, sort of thinking, 'I've been working at it and I'm never going to finish and it's just hopeless.'

"I called my mom, and that conversation, in which she really did nothing but listen to me and remind me that I'd gotten through different things in my life through faith -- sparked an experience I still remember," he says, his voice breaking with emotion. "And it transformed my sense of what my faith meant to me."

He received his Ph.D. in government from Harvard in 1979. He also earned his undergraduate degree from Harvard in 1972.

Keyes describes a mild crisis of faith that had grown alongside his intellectual pursuits.

"In American academics, it's difficult to be a person of faith. There's a certain kind of patronizing, a sense of, 'Oh, you'll grow out of it,' " he says.

"So you begin to push your faith into the background, and maybe not really want to show it and so forth and so on. You start to doubt whether or not you are being intellectually honest if you are relying on premises of faith."

It's a conundrum Keyes seems to have resolved with a vengeance.

The word became flesh

Keyes would never make himself out to be some sort of Biblical scholar, but when it comes to Scripture, he knows what he's talking about.

He reads Greek -- he travels with a laptop loaded with Bible software, including a copy of the Septuagint, the Greek version of Hebrew Scriptures -- and can wax eloquent at length about the etymology of certain words and how they correspond to theological principles.

"I try to read or think about some element of the Bible every day," he says, leaning back in his office chair, and propping his feet up on the desk.

When asked what portion of the Bible he most enjoys reading, he says, without hesitation, "Genesis."

"I often tell people that my greatest problem in the Bible is that in any serious way I've never been able to get past Genesis," he says, chuckling. "Now, I have read the whole Bible and I read other books, but what I mean is the book that I keep going back to over and over again is Genesis.

"For the longest time, I was really going back over and over again, thinking and writing about, the creation myths, because it seemed to me that there's an enormous depth of kind of philosophical implication," he says.

In addition to his Biblical studies, Keyes is a philosophy buff.

"People will think this is strange I suppose, but . . . there are books like Kant's Critique of Pure Reason and Hegel's Logic and things like that, and every once in a while I get hit by this mood and I have to wrestle with these books that are very abstract and that are kind of philosophy in the viewless realms where you are really dealing with concepts that have no corresponding material images or anything to go along with it," he says, excitedly. "You just have to go with pure concepts to think about things. And I think, in the sense of that kind of philosophical thinking, meditation and reasoning, Genesis is an enormously powerful experience."

This launches Keyes into a 20-minute discussion of what he describes as his latest "breakthrough" in examining a portion of Biblical text.

Specifically, the candidate says for four or five months he had been reading, re-reading and picking apart several dozen verses from the 4th, 5th and 6th chapters of Genesis, beginning with one of those "begat" passages.

So and so, son of so and so, begat so and so, father of so and so, who begat.. ..

These particular begat passages start with a descendant of Cain, the son of Adam and Eve who murders his brother Abel, and end with Noah -- the fellow with the ark.

With an almost childlike enthusiasm, Keyes recounts how he traced the lineage of Noah and the descendants of Cain, examined the ancient roots of certain words, and learned, according to his interpretation, that God's covenant with Noah after the flood included the institution of capital punishment for the first time.

"It's fascinating, don't you think?" Keyes asks, smiling broadly, when he's concluded an exegesis of the text that, at least in its methodology, would give any seminary professor or preacher a serious run for his money.

A boundless sorrow

Keyes could be a preacher, a Biblical scholar, or professional apologist for Christ. But instead, he's chosen to enter the secular political realm.

Why choose a field that can so often obfuscate faith?

It's a question, apparently, that moves Keyes to tears.

His eyes turn red, he stops talking for several minutes, stares at the ceiling, drums his fingers on the desk, and apologizes for his loss of composure.

After several attempts to begin speaking, only to have his voice crack with emotion, Keyes tries again to explain what he's feeling.

"I'm sorry, I'm getting a grip," he says, eyes red with tears. "When I was young, I encountered a problem, I guess. A challenge. And I guess it was an encounter that disillusioned me, yes, in the literal sense. And that was my first encounter with the reality -- intellectually and emotionally . . ." he pauses again, his voice trailing off for a few moments. " . . . Of what the slave experience meant to my ancestors. And I think I've been working that out ever since.''

When pressed to explain just what this "encounter" was, Keyes reveals that it was, in fact, an intellectual incident.

When he was about 15, he read Lerone Bennett's book Before the Mayflower: A History of the Negro in America, 1619-1964. And it broke his heart, he says.

"It's sorrow," he says, explaining why 40 years later he's still so emotional about something he read as a teenager. "It's not a sorrow for yourself, it's not a sorrow for individuals, it's a sorrow for the reality of our kind of sad experience . . . of life without God."

And it's that sorrow and outrage that in part has led him into politics, Keyes says.

"It's a problem of justice and to understand it and resolve it somehow is not an intellectual exercise. You have to meet the challenge of it in your own time and life. And at some level, that's what politics remains at its heart, in America," he explains.

"It's impossible to be a Christian and really live out your relationship with God apart from life and action," he says. "And that action requires that you kind of be aware of and sensitive to how in fact the injustice that was involved in slavery is like one of those difficult plants where you cut off what appears on the surface but the root is still there. And it springs up again in another place, in what seems like another form, but it is the same evil. It's the same root."

Christus victor?

So, what did he mean, exactly, back at that podium in Arlington Heights, when he exclaimed that "the victory is for God"?

Was he saying God is on his side -- the side of the righteous -- and not on that of his Democratic opponent, Barack Obama, a man who professes the same Christian faith?

"Well, professing is the operative word," Keyes says, in a moment of snarkiness conspicuously absent from the rest of the interview.

"I thought it was pretty clear. Maybe it wasn't," he says, reflecting on his acceptance speech a few days earlier. "What I meant by it was the victory is in God's hands for his will and decision. That's why I couldn't promise it to people. I might lose. I don't know. None of us knows.

"The notion that you can stand there and say, 'Rah! We're gonna win!' I know you're supposed to do that, but I find it very difficult to say stuff that I know, even if it's rhetorical, is not true," he says.

Keyes is puzzled by the idea that some people would be afraid of the notion of "God on our side."

"I rather want people to think God is on their side, because that means they know he's watching them, and that his rules still apply to what they do," he says, smiling. "I hope that's the result."

"I often tell people that my greatest problem in the Bible is that in any serious way I've never been able to get past Genesis. Now, I have read the whole Bible and I read other books, but what I mean is the book I keep going back to over and over again is Genesis."

http://www.suntimes.com/output/falsani/cst-nws-keyes22.html


TOPICS: Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: keyes; thengodmustbealoser
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To: TheOldSchool; EternalVigilance; Aquinasfan; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; nopardons; Mo1; All
I am always disappointed when a candidate links God in some fashion with the outcome of an election. This is the tenant of the very religions we are in conflict with. Oh well, I wish him well.

Thanks for bringing this up. If you look at the words in question -- at the conclusion of his acceptance speech, you will see that what he was saying is, "I'll try my best and leave it in God's hands."

Whatever we do, for good or ill, God has the victory! Amen.

281 posted on 08/23/2004 2:50:14 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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"...and Amen!"
282 posted on 08/23/2004 2:50:46 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: unspun

LOL........that's funny.:-)


283 posted on 08/23/2004 2:52:45 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: unspun
John said you cannot love God and hate your brother.

Jesus said "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge; ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

284 posted on 08/23/2004 3:18:46 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
True Christians will recognize that, without Keyes having to say a word about it.

That's very true.

I wonder if there are Jewish, athiest, Muslim, or Buddhist Republicans in Illinois, and whether or not Keyes would welcome their vote?

I'm sorry, it's been a long day, and my mind takes odd paths even on the best of days...

285 posted on 08/23/2004 3:22:01 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Probably one of the most misused verses in the Bible.


286 posted on 08/23/2004 3:29:11 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Jorge
""The battle is for us, but I have confidence because the victory IS FOR GOD!" So I guess when Keyes loses we can say that God was defeated? Incredible. At least Keyes is consistant in his self-righteousness."

Doctor Keyes is stating a simple fact: That any victory is indeed up to God, NOT that any victory implies that "God is on our side."

287 posted on 08/23/2004 3:40:59 PM PDT by redhead (I've gone to look for myself. If I return before I get back, keep me here...)
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To: Aquinasfan
When people comment on an article that they haven't read, it makes them look silly.

When people comment on posts without actually answering what they say, let alone show they've read the article, it makes THEM look silly.

288 posted on 08/23/2004 4:13:43 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: redhead
Doctor Keyes is stating a simple fact: That any victory is indeed up to God, NOT that any victory implies that "God is on our side."

Sorry, that's not what he stated at all.

He said;
"The battle is for us, but I have confidence because the victory IS FOR GOD!"

Why would his confidence be connected to the victory being for God if he didn't believe God was on his side?
Your explanation defies any normal reading of his statement.

289 posted on 08/23/2004 4:18:57 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: thad5611
"To them stem cell research, or abortion is more important than the current war, free enterprise or tax cuts."

At the moment, the current war takes precedence, or none of us may exist tomorrow. At least for the time being both the war agaisnt abortion and the war against terrorism can't be fought simultaneously, don't your think? In fact we can fight on several fronts (ie. the war against the left) can we not?

290 posted on 08/23/2004 4:27:09 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Darlin' Arlen in November.....)
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To: EternalVigilance
Enlightening post, EV.

I am not crazy about the phrase in title, because it pits the religious against the non-religious, and I believe drives even some religious supporters away. It's rhetoric that is over the top and ineffective. I much prefer Reagan's style.

That said, I have heard Alan Keyes give some of the most patriotic speeches imaginable (without the use of religious rhetoric) and there wasn't a dry eye in the place. Plenty of people were in attendance and some of them included people who were not religious at all.

The interview he gave was to a religious publication, so what's the beef there?

I am in agreement with Keyes on almost all the issues. He isn't perfect. George Bush isn't perfect. (Reagan wasn't perfect though he came mighty close, LOL!) I much prefer them both to leftist Republicans like embarrasing "Not Guilty acording to Scottish Law" Specter and Olympia Snowe AND the leftist Democratic Party.

Given the choice between a leftist and a guy like Alan, I'd vote for Alan every time. Were I a resident of Illinois, I would be voting for Alan Keyes.

291 posted on 08/23/2004 4:50:36 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Darlin' Arlen in November.....)
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To: Amelia

That is an excellent question, Amelia.


292 posted on 08/23/2004 4:54:57 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Some of my best friends are white, middle-class males.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Chalk up one more Obama vote, then...and a gleeful one at that. Jim: Just wanted to be sure you were following along... Oh, so you gotta go running to dad every time someone disagrees with you? Lots of republicans feel the same way, we have radio talkshow here that has a conservative panel on it each week, they all ripped Keyes. Its free speech man, get used to it, and either fight back or be quiet, but running to daddy every time someone disagrees with you makes you look very weak.
293 posted on 08/23/2004 5:04:22 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Everybody wants prostethic foreheads on their real heads...)
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To: Amelia
Jesus said "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye judge; ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

Yes, and that refers to whether or not we say someone is condemned or ultimately righteous in God's eyes. If you believe it refers to discernment about one's behavior or statements, please let me know. Also, refer to those who righteously had very harsh things to say about those who corrupt the Gospel, in the Epistles.

294 posted on 08/23/2004 5:07:31 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: thad5611
To them stem cell research, or abortion is more important than the current war, free enterprise or tax cuts.

I would vote for Keyes because he is trying to find a basic understanding of these issues. Even if he does read Hegel.

295 posted on 08/23/2004 5:15:22 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I see that you failed to mention that Keyes letter in support of Free Republic was from 2001.

All they had to do was follow RC's link.

I see you figured it out.

296 posted on 08/23/2004 5:26:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry - Vietnam's Benedict Arnold)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

The primaries are over.

We are no longer choosing which Republican candidate will run in the general election.

We are down to two people: a Republican and a Democrat.

So many people say that they will vote for Keyes, yet have bad things to say about only one candidate--Dr. Keyes.

With friends like these...


297 posted on 08/23/2004 5:41:19 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: unspun
Yes, and that refers to whether or not we say someone is condemned or ultimately righteous in God's eyes.

Was he saying God is on his side -- the side of the righteous -- and not on that of his Democratic opponent, Barack Obama, a man who professes the same Christian faith?

"Well, professing is the operative word," Keyes says, in a moment of snarkiness conspicuously absent from the rest of the interview.

I'm sure you'll now tell me I'm wrong, but that appears to be exactly what Keyes was doing.

And I know there's a difference between discernment and judging, but sometimes I think there's a fine line, and sometimes I think we are perhaps more discerning than Jesus was. He sat down to eat with prostitutes and tax collectors; some of us seem to want to avoid or condemn anyone who isn't as moral as we are.

All in all, it seems to me, it's much easier to act like the Pharisees than to act like Jesus.

298 posted on 08/23/2004 5:52:10 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands
Oh, so now that the primaries are over, we can't voice displeasure at someone like Keyes? Nothing good will come of this race, he will lose, he will lose the shreds of credibility he used to have, Obama will be empowered, and everyone will be laughing at the silliness of Keyes again. I don't care for Obama, but the issue is Keyes, I don't care for him, I think he is a nut.

Call me whatever you want, personalize your argument against me if you have to stoop there, but this is a lose-lose situation for republicans.

299 posted on 08/23/2004 5:58:05 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Everybody wants prostethic foreheads on their real heads...)
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To: Amelia
All in all, it seems to me, it's much easier to act like the Pharisees than to act like Jesus.

Of course, since Obama supports the literal sacrifice of infants' lives on the altar of convenience, he might better be compared to the worshippers of Moloch than either Jesus or the Pharisees.

I mean, the Pharisees were self-righteous hypocrites, yes, but even they weren't that corrupt.

300 posted on 08/23/2004 5:59:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (John Kerry - Vietnam's Benedict Arnold)
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