Posted on 08/13/2004 5:24:43 AM PDT by Hatteras
Mom Sent To Jail For Smoking Around Kids
POSTED: 6:43 am EDT August 13, 2004
BOWLING GREEN, Va. -- A woman was sentenced Thursday to 10 days in jail for defying a court order not to smoke around her children.
Tamara Silvius was banned last year from smoking around the youths, now ages 8 and 10, as part of a custody arrangement with her ex-husband.
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After they wheeled me out of the delivery room, hubby was there. I kept saying "I NEED A CIGARETTE." And the nurse said "Tell your hubby what you HAD! I said WE HAD A GIRL I NEED A CIGARETTE. And everyone laughed. hehe!
I guess I did some things right. (And Dad smoked too.)
We all smoked. My folks. Hubby's folks. We smoked. Friends came over and they smoked. Never hurt US any. And oh yes! We even had NON smoking friends, and they sure didn't piss and moan like the (anti) non-smokers today. But of course, not ALL non-smokers are like a lot of them that come into our smoking threads. Just a handful, thank God.
Right. I think I heard a song like that once. heh!
HAH! And you call ME the liberal. That's the liberal mantra.
And I'm done on this thread. I've held my own well and don't like arguing in circles with the irration who do the rest of us conservatives a disservice.
I'm thinking you are correct. Actually, I'm not thinking it - I know it.
I have serious problems with anyone that believes the government is what should be used to determine personal responsibility.
You are a fine one to talk.
You who are advocating MORE restrictions endeavoring entrepreneurs? ROFL.
Clean Air laws do not restrict the level of personal freedom in this country in any significant way.
They sure do buddy, and you are blind if you can't see it.
During the lead up to the smoking ban in Delaware some of the most vocal opponents of it were the owners of SMOKE-FREE restaurants. The ban wiped out their market.
It's amazing how none of the antis will respond to it, either.
I bet you had fun with the grandkids this weekend!!!!!
1. The majority of eaters aren't smokers and don't want it.
2. Secondhand smoke in a restaurant endangers the health of diners.
The rights of individuals are protected by the Bill of Rights. A majority may decide hanging ferns are obnoxious, but any Upper West Side bistro owner has a God-given right in this country to hang them anyway. Now if there is clear evidence that CO2 from ferns at night damages the respiration of diners, ban away. But you need something more than than one man's common sense to take away freedoms.
In any case, thanks for the debate.
Yes, that IS the liberal mantra, and I was referring to you - the one who, with no concrete solid evidence, bases your opinion on your 'feelings'...
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
About the only thing you've held is your own BigBrother's hand.
And typical of you nanny state promoters - when you know you've lost you cut and run....at least the others who have left this thread have given reasons.
Pathetic - but, then again those who needs government to make their decisions for them usually are - and are very rarely considered conservatives.
It is because the garage story is stupid but I will try to respond. Oh course sitting in the garage with an engine running is worse than cigarette smoke. I can't remember the last time I sat in a restaurant with a car engine running. Sitting in a garage with a pile of burning tires is worse than cigarette smoke too but haven't done that in quite a while either. See how stupid that is? ;9}
and in some states, if you refuse to sign the agreement, it obtains the merit of order, the judge mandates it anyway and denies right to appeal.. and in some really bad states... the court referee does it with a stamp and without a judge... and once again NO APPEAL.
the government trespass into the family, has gone overboard.
"Agree to NOT smoke or we will take your kids away..."
is not a legitimate role of government.
You are missing the point of the garage story.
The point is that one hour of exposure to tobacco smoke in a bar or restaurant is no where near as deadly to a person with no pre-existing health issues as is exposure to automobile exhaust.
The entire point is that it is a matter of choice as to which place you wish to enter.
yes and it's disgusting.
I am MUCH more concerned about the cancer of growing government intervention than I am about the handwringing nannystaters who are worried that government is not implementing their "moral code" for the good of the children... fast enough.
Smaller government. It is a good idea. But the "government is savior" crowd, won't like it if we kill their TRUE God. They know, it takes longer than three days for a resurrection, and what will happen if we don't have the government to protect us from the "sins of the flesh" like smoking, and drinking and a host of other items.
puke.
I like your attitude!!!!!!!!!!
lots of religious moralist types, SAY they believe in God, the Savior and the church.... but most of them ACT as if they believe all those roles, are to be carried out, by government.
God may be great, but government is greater.
God allows freewill, but government uses force... it gets them what they want, CONTROL or TYRANNICAL influence over others.. by threat of force at EVERY infraction... and nowadays their are literally MILLIONS of potential infractions.
You are threatening the mororeligionists one true God... governmental threat of force against any expression of freewill other than their increasingly codified, and at times sectarian, religious dogma.
All bow down and worship the GREAT government...
just like the days of Nebuchadnezzar, the statue has feet of clay.
Scary that they came to the republican party, after they left the demcrats during the reagan years... and they seem to have taken over.
sickening.
I am a STAUNCH conservative who is in favor of anti-smoking laws because they protect the rights of the many (just like most of our laws) against the whims of the few."
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Yeah and Germany thought the Jews were a plague on the earth too and made laws to justify eraticating them. I have never seen the like in my 50 yrs. of people being such controling, nosey, busy body, run everyone elses life a**holes. I would LOVE to have a set of bathroom scales sitting in this forum for all the anti-smokers. Because the obesity rate is far far exceeding the smokers. So while the majority of the population panics over a tiny whiff of smoke they are cramming their faces with what ever is not nailed down and none it good for them, and all the while pointing a pudgy little diabetic, high blood pressure, disease ridden
finger at a smoker who usually does not have any of those problems. One might say I am fed up.
It's amazing what these lil' ol'smoke filled lungs can still accomplish.
First, I'll find some like minded scientists to come up with studies proving that exhaust emissions cause cancer, asthma and other health problems. Then, myself and the group I've founded, will work on restricitng the areas where people can drive. We'll begin with vehicle free areas around schools to protect the chilren and also insist not only that pregnant women can't drive but that they entering or nearing a vehicle throughout the entire nine months of pregnancy. We will then insist that people give up there cars in favor of bicycles. People can bike everywhere just like I do.
Ahhhhh, we will then achieve 100% perfectly pure, clean air. From the comments in your post, it sounds like my organization would be right up your ally. What say ye?
I didn't miss the point. I agreed with you & even gave another example of something that was worse than cigarette smoke. Good grief, you people are so hard to get along with. Gripe gripe gripe I try to be friends & all I get is an argument. Good bye! %;9}
Exactly. I was a dancer for a long time and I smoked. Smoking never hindered me one bit.
As long as a smoker keeps up cardio and good eating habits and maintains a good weight, what's to worry?!
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