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Mom Sent To Jail For Smoking Around Kids
WRAL Raleigh ^ | August 13, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/13/2004 5:24:43 AM PDT by Hatteras

Mom Sent To Jail For Smoking Around Kids

POSTED: 6:43 am EDT August 13, 2004

BOWLING GREEN, Va. -- A woman was sentenced Thursday to 10 days in jail for defying a court order not to smoke around her children.

Tamara Silvius was banned last year from smoking around the youths, now ages 8 and 10, as part of a custody arrangement with her ex-husband.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; consantismoking; naanylaw; nannycrap; nannystate; pufflist; secondhandsmoke; smoking; tobacco
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To: Don Simmons
At least on here, all we get is replies accusing us of being brainwashed trolls when we express intelligence outside the sphere of hard-line, tunnel vision, far right thinking.

Except when it comes to decent Freepers because they smoke, eh? Hey, newbie. Welcome to Free Republic!


301 posted on 08/16/2004 9:30:00 AM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

It doesn't say this in the article, so I don't know.

I'm wondering if the kids have medical problems that smoking can make worse like asthma and allergies.

I know that I have both, and I cannot be around cigarette smoke or I get very sick. If I am around smoke for more than about an hour then I will get an asthma attack bad enough to land me in the hospital.

I'm assuming the smoke must cause some sort of problem for the kids.


302 posted on 08/16/2004 9:35:27 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: SheLion

No newbie here. I've been a proud Freeper (mostly just reading though) for a long time. I used to have another name, then I decided to stop hiding behind an alias and use my real name.

I have no doubt there are plenty of decent folks on here. Just because you smoke doesn't make you a bad person.

Blind denial in the face of all logic and common sense just because you do enjoy something that is harmful to yourself and others...well, that doesn't make you bad either, I suppose. Good luck with all that.

"JUNK SCIENCE"

1491: The Earth is round....

1902: Man can fly....

1968: Man will land on the moon....

Today: Cigarette smoke kills....




303 posted on 08/16/2004 9:41:26 AM PDT by Don Simmons (The Land of Freedom: Freedom to do as you please and take down others with you.)
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To: Don Simmons
Blind denial in the face of all logic and common sense just because you do enjoy something that is harmful to yourself and others...well, that doesn't make you bad either, I suppose. Good luck with all that.

See? That's why I said I didn't know why I was bothering to post to you. You didn't read anything I wrote to you. Nothing.

You have your mind made up and your right, everyone else is wrong, and you won't be made to see the difference.

If you and your friend hate smokers and smoking so much, why are you on this thread? Just to kick up dust and irritate everyone? I don't get it.

We are Conservatives. We are Freepers. We are Moms and Dads, Grandparents. We choose to enjoy a legal product, but there are always the ugly anti smokers around to come in and pound on us.

And when we stand up for ourselves, you just don't like it, do you? Then you turn on us for being mean and nasty.

Like I said, we are sick and tired of it!

Tobacco has been around for hundreds of years. And if we follow the theory that you spew, it's a wonder any of us have lived this long!

304 posted on 08/16/2004 9:48:15 AM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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To: SheLion

Amazing.


Just amazing.


305 posted on 08/16/2004 9:52:52 AM PDT by Don Simmons (The Land of Freedom: Freedom to do as you please and take down others with you.)
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To: Don Simmons

"Do you really and truly believe that inhaling cigarette smoke DOESN'T cause cancer? Do you REALLY?"

Yes, but I understand the difference between causation and increasing a risk factor. If smoking caused cancer, then every smoker would get cancer and no non-smokers would get cancer. However, one must be genetically at risk for cancer prior to any outside influence causing cancer.

To sum it up for you, yes an increased risk factor is a result of smoking, but smoking does not cause cancer.

If you think that smoking is so harmful, then answer one very simple question. Why is the highest per capita smoking population in the world also the lowest per capita lung and heart disease contracting population in the world? (Hint: Diet and genetics play a much bigger role than tobacco.)

What flavor is the smoke gnatzie kool aide today?


306 posted on 08/16/2004 9:56:38 AM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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To: Bella_Bru

"No, like everyone else in the world, FReepers are just as guilty of saying "hooray for the courts" when they make a decision that fitsd their agenda."

I agree. It is another reason that Conservatism is dead. The current republican contingent prefers to use the same tools as the left, only when it suits their morals......


307 posted on 08/16/2004 9:59:11 AM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

"#1. You didn't read the entire thread. This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. I am a STAUNCH conservative who is in favor of anti-smoking laws because they protect the rights of the many (just like most of our laws) against the whims of the few."

What "rights" are being protected? Are those rights worthy of the confiscation of private property? If you are so supportive of government interference (confiscation) of private property use, then I have to wonder how "staunch" you really are.

Protection of private property and individual liberty means that sometimes, some people will chose to engage in behavior with which you may not agree.


308 posted on 08/16/2004 10:03:07 AM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

"That's fine. I see my position as conservative common sense."

Actually, it should accurately be titled "convenient conservatism."


309 posted on 08/16/2004 10:14:22 AM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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To: CSM

Like you I have a very hard time with folks who refuse to differentiate between public and private property.

DMV is a public place. Joe's Bar & Grill is a private busines establishment that invites the public in. If you drive or own a vehicle you are FORCED to deal with DMV to remain within the law. You are never FORCED to enter Joe's place of business.

Regarding this woman - the anti smokers have gotten out of control - one of the anti-smoker websites offers information (for a fee) to help divorced couples get anti-smoker language into custody agreements. It would not surprise me if that is where this idiotic condition of the custody agreement came from.

However, as idiotic as I believe it is, the woman did defy a court order and that was wrong........but throwing her in jail for 10 days is even worse.


310 posted on 08/16/2004 10:22:45 AM PDT by Gabz (BTW - have I mentioned lately I'm tired of rain?)
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To: Don Simmons; SheLion
"JUNK SCIENCE"

1491: The Earth is round....

1902: Man can fly....

1968: Man will land on the moon....

Today: Cigarette smoke kills....


Actually what Don meant to post:
"Junk Science"
1491: The Earth is flat, it's just common sense and everyone knows it.......(everywhere you look it is flat!)

1902: Only birds can fly, it's just plain obvious and I have only seen things with wings fly.......(I have been able to site 3 personal experiences that prove it.)

1968: Man will never leave the flat planet earth....(technology never advances and no solution to problems will be found.)

Today: Cigarette smoke kills....(Look at all the smokers that get sick, look at my personal examples, no cure for lung disease or cancer could ever be invented.....)

You should try for some consistency in your posts.
311 posted on 08/16/2004 10:32:19 AM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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To: Gabz
DMV is a public place. Joe's Bar & Grill is a private business establishment that invites the public in. If you drive or own a vehicle you are FORCED to deal with DMV to remain within the law. You are never FORCED to enter Joe's place of business.

There's another element of force involved. The government forces Joe to offer a service, smoke-free dining. Why not force him to offer exercise classes at the end of every meal, too? Because the majority of patrons don't want it? I guess that means that smoking bans have nothing to do with rights or objective criteria of public health, just majority whim. By that logic smoking restaurants were fine until the moment the opinion polls tipped against smoking.

312 posted on 08/16/2004 11:01:35 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: SupplySider

Exactly.

And when the government forced Joe to offer the service, they took away Bob's target market, because bob's Place was already smoke-free.


313 posted on 08/16/2004 11:05:38 AM PDT by Gabz (BTW - have I mentioned lately I'm tired of rain?)
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To: CSM
To sum it up for you, yes an increased risk factor is a result of smoking, but smoking does not cause cancer.

Hey CSM! I was wondering where the troops were. heh!

I've been doing a 'one woman shift' here. LOL!

314 posted on 08/16/2004 11:08:09 AM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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To: CSM
Worth repeating:

Protection of private property and individual liberty means that sometimes, some people will chose to engage in behavior with which you may not agree.

315 posted on 08/16/2004 11:09:58 AM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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To: SheLion

It certainly looks like the gnatzies have been busy recruiting. Sorry to have left your back open to attack, but it looks like you held your own!


316 posted on 08/16/2004 11:16:19 AM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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To: CSM
It certainly looks like the gnatzies have been busy recruiting. Sorry to have left your back open to attack, but it looks like you held your own!

What upsets me is: I give him two great links from our own Government! And he refused to read them. He wears blinders and has tunnel vision. It's his way or no way.

Well, I felt like typing. LOL!

317 posted on 08/16/2004 11:18:51 AM PDT by SheLion (The terrorist are here.......living among us. It's too late to close the borders.)
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To: Gabz
And when the government forced Joe to offer the service, they took away Bob's target market, because bob's Place was already smoke-free.

Yep. Bob risks his time and money to serve the community and the compassionate ones step all over him. Oh well, I guess Bob just couldn't deliver enough votes, just as the NYC restaurant owners couldn't deliver enough for Mayor Bloomberg. It's just too bad for Bob (and Joe) that the Bill of Rights is not so popular at the moment.

318 posted on 08/16/2004 11:18:54 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: SheLion

Hi, FRiend, you did great today. These cases are another egregious example of legislating through the courts, and the doofuses on the thread are hysterics. I have had it up to here with hysterics who will not listen to reason, I'm in no mood to deal with their empty rhetoric today.

But I'm here, shaking my head, sharpening my vote. ;-D


319 posted on 08/16/2004 11:28:15 AM PDT by Judith Anne (I fantasize that Kerry loses Mass: *ooooh...ohhh.....Oh, God, YES! YES! YES!*)
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To: Gabz

I agree that defying a court order is generally wrong, however I also agree that the interest of the children was never even the intent of the court order. Proven by throwing her in jail, further harming the children, the court has proven our case that it is about control. They don't even pretend it is about health any more, they just step up and admit it is all about behaviour control.

And it is celebrated and promoted by supposed "conservatives."


320 posted on 08/16/2004 11:29:49 AM PDT by CSM (To spread the wealth the liberal is willing, he'll take YOUR dollar and keep his shilling. -albertp)
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