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Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread SEVENTEEN
World Net Daily ^ | 8-10-04 | Paul Sperry

Posted on 08/10/2004 12:58:27 AM PDT by JustPiper




Credit: The Cabal

The title refers to a daily report given to the president of the United States detailing the most serious terrorist threats against the country. To tackle those threats, the government has formed a top-notch task force to infiltrate the terror cells and cut off the danger.

"Every morning, the president receives a list of the top ten terrorist threats - this list is known as the threat matrix."

We here at FR are trying to be in conjunction with the daily reports around the world that involve threats. We try to provide a storehouse of information that takes hours of research.

YOU be the Judge and get informed.


"I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat."

Link to Thread Sixteen





With the nation on high alert for al-Qaida terrorists, the Department of Homeland Security is putting its border officers through "etiquette" classes to soften their image and make them less threatening to arriving foreign immigrants, WorldNetDaily has learned.





"God could not be everywhere and therefore he made mothers."
-- Jewish proverb







We are the "Stotters" who make ourselves aware of the
enemy who wishes to do us harm.




"What good are the color codes at all if we are suddenly hit with a bio or chem attack? There would be no warning and the danger would be instant."

"Code Red Implications
Code Red - Stay Home and Await Word."
by MamaDearest





Meet It!
Greet It!
Defeat It!





TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: storehouseofinfo; terror; threatmatrix; threats
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To: grizzfan

Oh my. I'm just not quite sure what to say about that grizzfan.


3,101 posted on 08/19/2004 5:31:03 PM PDT by Oorang ( Those who trade liberty for security have neither)
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To: Cindy

Do you think that Iran seriously thinks that people would believe that they were trying to help the U.S. though? I can't imagine, with all of the hate they spew towards us, why they think we (or anyone) would believe they acted in our best interest.


3,102 posted on 08/19/2004 5:38:31 PM PDT by Honestly (There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.)
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To: ExSoldier

Thanks for the link.


3,103 posted on 08/19/2004 5:44:58 PM PDT by Imperialist
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To: Oorang

Now we know why they make women cover up. The men can't stand the competition.


3,104 posted on 08/19/2004 5:48:33 PM PDT by HipShot (EOM couldn't cut the head off a beer with a chainsaw)
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To: grizzfan
ADNAN SHUKRAJUMAH IN FESTIVE HEADGEAR!!!!
3,105 posted on 08/19/2004 5:57:25 PM PDT by drymans wife (Clintoon Saga continues, MONICAGATE, TROUSERGATE, I did not put those papers in his pants.)
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To: Velveeta

This leaves one speechless.

Yes, I know it happens.

I dealt with the children of parents who walked off and left them, as a foster parent.


3,106 posted on 08/19/2004 5:58:16 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: Rutles4Ever

The Iranians (correction - - the Iranian *regime*)is acting confident because they want us to believe, and may believe themselves, that they have not only a first-strike capability but a retaliatory one as well.

The reason the Israelis are distributing the radiation pills around the Negev (Dimona and any land-based Jericho missiles) and not in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem is that Dimona is the logical "pre-emptive"/first-strike target for the Iranians (or the initial retaliatory target in the event of Israeli and/or American actions against the sites at Bushehr, Natanz, Arak, etc.). They said so themselves. They probably figure an initial nuclear counter-force strike will play better with world opinion than direct targeting of Tel Aviv.

Most people do not realize that Saddam targeted Dimona in 1991. This is an old script. He was making the same calculations.

The Iranian regime is making a strategic miscalculation that they can deter a retaliatory escalation to their aggression if they confine the initial targeting to military related sites (Israeli and American military concentrations and infrastructure in the region). They also seem to believe they can deter a retaliatory escalation by the infiltration of WMD-armed "special forces" into the continental U.S. If we threaten massive retaliation against Iran, they can credibly threaten multiple responses here.

They are acting confident because they perceive their own capabilities to be vastly greater than we do (or than they actually are). If the North Koreans, Pakistanis, and a ragtag bunch of relatively unprofessional irregulars called "al Qaeda" can develop or get their hands on nuclear devices, why on earth do we not think the Iranians did not also do so long ago?

And if North Korea has had the capability to launch against the western continental U.S. for going on a decade (despite how much we want to downplay it). And the North Korean missile program is, in effect, a joint venture with Iran, as it has also been for a decade - - with much of the testing taking place in Iran rather than North Korea, why do we think that their missile capability is limited to the Shihab-3? Could Shihab-4 and Shihab-5 be much more advanced than any suspect?

If North Korea has had the Taepo-dong 2 all these years and possibly even tested the engine in Iran (with dozens if not hundreds of North Korean scientists stationed there), I guarantee you Iran has the weapon. It has probably never been flight tested (except in 1998 when the North Koreans hit either Alaska or right off the coast of Hawaii - - pick your "fish story" - - with a dummy warhead). But it does not have to be an accurate, militarily effective weapon to be a useful terror weapon.

You want a surprise attack? You don't need al Qaeda to sneak a nuke across the border (or someone more dangerous like Hezbollah or Iranian special forces). A long-range Taepo-dong-2 launched from the area around Tabriz could theoretically reach the eastern seaboard.

An ICBM launched from the east is just as credible a threat to NYC and DC as the morons trying to cross the border. Activating Ft. Greeley is fine and dandy. We need to be just as concerned about having an intercept capability on the east side as well.

They are betting we won't risk taking this to the next level if they go against Israel and/or Iraq and/or our bases in the region because they feel they can hold our own major population centers hostage by infiltration or missile strike (including DPRK capabilities in a possible two-front war).

They also probably hope to achieve their objectives (as warped as the thinking may be) by deterring our nuclear retaliatory escalation through their long-range missile and terrorist-delivered WMD threats, paralyze us at home with these attacks leading up to a divisive election, force a bloody and violent regional stalemate with bio and chem (which they also have in abundance), and play for time by trying to shut Hormuz and trying to strangle the world economy with over $100/barrel oil hoping either we will cry uncle or the rest of the world will try to force us to cry uncle as the global economy collapses and the WMD-induced casualties amass exponentially on the battlefield and on the homefronts.

If they fail to deter a retaliation, then they hope the use of WMD (nuclear) by either the Israelis or ourselves, or both, even in retaliation to their first-use, will be sufficient to incite the entire region to descend on Jerusalem in a "holy war" (which no one except a few fanatics want at the moment). The theocratic faction that seized back power earlier this year in Tehran is irrational and fanatical. They are old and frightened men. And they will sacrifice their people in the name of their ideology.

And the Iranian people, most of whom are under 30, are about the only people (besides Israel) in the region that loves America. Remember the spontaneous 9/11 candlelight vigils? The mullahs in Tehran are using their people as human shields hoping to deter retaliation. And if that fails, using the corpses of their own people to incite jihad.

It is a huge miscalculation, but there is a method behind their madness.

This is what their "prepositioning" is all about(surveillance and infiltration).

Perhaps there are still brave Iranians in positions of power in the government, military and security services, and even the clergy, who quietly see that this course, set by the aging criminal clerics who oppress them, is one of national suicide. Not just national suicide - - international suicide. If Israel is hit, it will respond disproportionately. A holocaust will not be confined to Israel as the mullahs (the bad ones) want. The holocaust will engulf the entire region, including them.

And maybe the oppressed silent majority of quietly brave and good Iranians will take action to undermine and stop these madmen. They are the ones who will have to stop the lunatics who seek to let loose upon mankind this nuclear jinn that has been bottled up.

Before it is too late for all of us.


3,107 posted on 08/19/2004 5:58:36 PM PDT by callmejoe
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To: JustPiper

I will miss you JP.


3,108 posted on 08/19/2004 6:10:51 PM PDT by Imperialist
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To: Honestly

No idea whether that particular story is true, but it could easily have happened that way. Most Iranians detest that regime, even some in the military and security structures. Underneath the surface, many in positions of power and influence oppose the regime of which they are a part.

Who knows? Maybe there is an operation underway against an American target not in Central Asia, but here at home. And it is not an assassination, but a WMD attack. In that case, our lives could depend on the courage and conscience of Iranians like those in that story. The dictatorial thugs in clerical robes are the ones seeking to drag us all into a war, not the average Iranian - - not even the average Iranian soldier, official, or yes, even the avaerage cleric. That is why the hardline, terrorist regime has to *provoke* a war - - because no one *wants* one.

We live or die based on knowing who the enemy is.
And who the enemy is not.


3,109 posted on 08/19/2004 6:18:27 PM PDT by callmejoe
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To: Honestly

Honestly, I think there is good and bad in everything and everyone; including Iran.


3,110 posted on 08/19/2004 6:19:52 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: callmejoe; Cindy

In the last several days, the Persian Journal has only been available sporadically. Most frequently there is a message stating that the server isn't available. An investigation of the situation shows that Iran has blacked out a lot of news in the last two weeks. This may not be news in the Iranian scheme of things, but the Persian Journal was always available before.


3,111 posted on 08/19/2004 6:32:41 PM PDT by Honestly (There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.)
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To: KylaStarr
Don't think in terms of fine features.

When I worked at the Casino in Laughlin, a young girl and I
became friends and always had dinner together.

I enjoyed her company, but had an urge to ask her why she needed to wear so much makeup, like so many young girls she simply layered it on.

After a month or so, she told granny the truth and we had a
good laugh about her makeup.

The breast were HIS, done with hormones he said.

It took him 4 hours to put on all the makeup. There was not
a sign of a beard showing.

Most of the people working there, had no idea that it was a
man.

One of the gay men, told me that he had stayed with 'her' for a week or two and had no idea that it was a man. He had
need of housing and they were not having an affair, so he never guessed, until he was told.

So add the clumsy/ not well dressed / too much makeup to your "Keep your eyes open list".
3,112 posted on 08/19/2004 6:39:29 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (You could do a general Google search for: jihad internet today)
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To: Cindy

Headline on Drudge, linked to yahoo:

Iran warns of preemptive strike to prevent attack on nuclear sites

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1512&u=/afp/20040818/wl_afp/iran_nuclear_us_israel_040818201404&printer=1


3,113 posted on 08/19/2004 6:42:02 PM PDT by Lucy Lake
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To: nw_arizona_granny; All
TMers: Here is a new 7Seas article:

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Track terrorists online
From his humble home in small-town Ontario, Brent Astley directs an international band of cybersleuths as they track terrorists online
 
Jennifer Chen
The Ottawa Citizen; with files from Citizen News Services

CREDIT: Ted Warren, The Associated Press
Due to the online sleuthing of Shannen Rossmiller, above, Ryan Anderson, a U.S. national guardsman is facing court martial and allegations that he planned to pass military secrets to the al-Qaeda network
CREDIT: Ted Warren, The Associated Press
Due to the online sleuthing of Shannen Rossmiller, Ryan Anderson, a U.S. national guardsman shown above, is facing court martial and allegations that he planned to pass military secrets to the al-Qaeda network

These seven terrorist-tracking cyberspies are from the U.S., Singapore, Australia and Canada.

But are they boons to national security or wanna-be worldsavers with too much time on their hands?

In one corner of the room, images from a CNN news broadcast flash from a television screen. At a round table within viewing distance, Brent Astley sits, his left hand curling around a big mug of fresh coffee, brewed strong, the way he likes it.

He watches scenes from Wall Street in New York, following a warning earlier this month from U.S. federal officials that some of the country's most iconic financial buildings were the subject of a heightened terrorist alert.

Astley has a special interest in what's happening in New York. He has been watching the terror alert developments closely for some time. For about 10 to 16 hours a day, Astley hones in on the virtual world of terrorism, from his living room in Norwood, Ont., a town of about 1,200, roughly 30 kilometres east of Peterborough.

As the director of the 7-Seas Global Intelligence Security Team, an international septet of hardcore web surfers and researchers that attempts to monitor terrorism on the Internet, he considers himself a bonafide terrorist-tracking cyberspy.

Some may consider Astley and his colleagues to be wanna-be worldsavers and national security dabblers with too much time on their hands. But in February this year, the organization was thrust into the spotlight after one of its members gave the U.S. Department of Homeland Security a tip about a U.S. National Guardsman who appeared willing to betray American forces.

Later this month, Spc. Ryan Anderson, a specialist in the Washington state National Guard's 81st Tank Brigade, is to face a court martial and allegations that he planned to pass military secrets to the enemy once he was stationed in Iraq.

Shannen Rossmiller, a municipal judge in Conrad, Mont. was the 7-Seas member who is now set to testify in the case against Anderson.

Rossmiller routinely trawls through websites with names such as bravemuslim.com, and last fall she saw a posting by a man calling himself Amir Abdul Rashid. It was clear from the message that Rashid was edging toward the violent fringes of Islam. It also became clear that he was a U.S. soldier.

Rossmiller used her cyberspy skills to pose as an Algerian with ties to that country's outlawed Armed Islamic Group. She sent Rashid an e-mail titled A Call to Jihad. They had a protracted exchange of e-mails, through which Rossmiller learned that Rashid was a national guardsman about to be sent to Iraq, and that he seemed willing to betray his fellow soldiers once he was there.

Because of Rossmiller, Spc. Anderson, a recent convert to Islam, was arrested -- and the operations of 7-Seas and Rossmiller became a lot less covert.

"I ended up having to go public. It was kind of surreal. It was hard," Rossmiller says. Although she had seen photos of Anderson before, she says: "I never expected that I would have to face one of these people. This is real now."

Online Origins

Although Rossmiller was not an original 7-Seas member, she met the other members early on, in an online chat room called itshappening.com, where people discuss terrorism, news and current events.

After Sept. 11, Rossmiller felt helpless and decided she wanted to take action. Like her colleagues, she began exploring the Internet's nooks and crannies for signs and sites of terrorists and their organizations.

Including Rossmiller, four of the seven members live in the U.S. Another member is in Singapore and one is in Australia. Astley rounds out the group, although they are working to bring a former member from Toronto back into the operation.

"We're pretty thick," Rossmiller says. "We're small, but all over the world."

Astley's motivation arose from the attacks, and from a sense of public duty. "My father's generation had World War II to do its thing," he says. His generation has the war on terrorism.

Trained as a physicist, Astley is a self-taught and currently unemployed computer programmer. He studied particle physics at Carleton University and Trent University, but abandoned his Master's degree and moved back to Norwood five years ago. "I just decided it wasn't for me," the 44-year-old says.

With his quiet, unassuming manner, gentle voice and casual dress that includes black running shoes on sockless feet, Astley doesn't appear to be cut from James Bond cloth. Nor does it matter that instead of being based in a major metropolis, he's tucked away on a half-acre plot with 13 acres of swamp to his name. His two-storey century-old house, he says, is in a constant state of renovation.

Yet appearances don't stop him from getting a sense of satisfaction, knowing that he has contributed. "Personally, I like puzzles and enigmas. It certainly is that."

Once the 7-Seas members discovered they shared common goals, they decided to move to a more private forum, where they felt they could be more effective.

Since January 2003, 7-Seas has worked together. Before joining in April, Rossmiller worked on her own, fostering her modest computer skills and her interest in world affairs. "I'm way beyond," she now says.

The members communicate by e-mail and instant messaging. Occasionally, they talk on the phone. Rossmiller is the only member Astley has met in person.

The organization receives numerous offers of help, from five to 20 a day following a threat. "And they're not crackpots," Rossmiller says. They're emergency firemen, experts in weapons of mass destruction and retired U.S. Navy intelligence officers.

Although the organization isn't taking any new members, it is trying to find a way to incorporate offers of assistance.

Each month, Astley says, 7-Seas works on about 20 cases, some taking as long as 16 weeks. "Three-quarters turn out to be nothing," he adds.

Every member has a different role and different skills. Rossmiller has legal knowledge, while Astley says his job is to decipher nuclear threats. They also have an economist and security experts, and eight languages between them. "We've pretty much got it covered," Astley says.

"Over the course, I know we have saved lives."

Although none of them reads or speaks Arabic, they use effective translation software. It's convincing enough that Rossmiller can exchange messages with suspected terrorists under the guise of different Muslim identities she has created.

Credibility Problems

Although the exposure following the Anderson case helped 7-Seas gain credibility, Astley says its members still struggle to do their work. "Part of the problem is, you start sending them (authorities) information and they start thinking you're crackpots."

However, over time, 7-Seas has acquired an RCMP contact, FBI contacts and a NASA contact, Astley says. At this point, he passes the information on to them to distribute among the relevant authorities.

In fact, the RCMP says it thrives on tips from the public. "It's just more eyes and ears for the police," says Mountie spokeswoman Corp. Monique Beauchamp.

While she wouldn't speak specifically about 7-Seas, she did acknowledge the importance of an engaged public. "The more people we have helping out certainly assists our job in finding out anything that might be going on out there."

The RCMP also established a national security tip line to support the fight against international terrorism, Corp. Beauchamp says. "There's a lot of people on the Internet," she adds. "There's so much information that we can only benefit from gaining those responses from them."

Information from a group like 7-Seas would be treated like any information provided by the public, she says.

Beauchamp would not say whether tips from 7-Seas members have been fruitful for the RCMP. "We would never confirm that we are or are not investigating something, but we will follow up on the leads."

Nor would the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) comment directly on 7-Seas. In general, says spokeswoman Nicole Currier, the agency obtains information from a variety of sources.

Since single-source information isn't necessarily credible, the agency independently verifies the information it has received. "We never rule out any information from a variety of open sources.

"We're not in a position to complain or to comment or to congratulate people that are doing stuff outside."

CSIS is aware that "terrorists use the Internet freely," Currier says, and online monitoring is a big part of how CSIS works, Currier says.

Groups like 7-Seas aren't common because expertise is required, says Rachel Ehrenfeld, author of Funding Evil and director of the New York-based American Center for Democracy.

"You really need the devotion and the time to dedicate to it," she adds.

Despite the commitment of 7-Seas members, she doesn't think their efforts can make that much of a difference. "Terrorism online is adapting and changing," she says.

More Terrorist Websites

Since Sept. 11, the number of terrorist sites has multiplied into the hundreds and it's hard to separate the credible ones, Astley says. "Some of them come and go overnight."

The majority of this group's leads turn out to be nothing. "Then there's that real kernel of two per cent that's real," he says. A good indication that a person might be a legitimate concern is the level of detail in thier communications -- whether there's a where, when, how or who in the online exchanges. If it's credible, 7-Seas will pass on the information.

Often, they won't hear back from the intelligence agencies, Rossmiller says.

Instead, they'll just receive confirmation when they see it in the news. "It's all migrated from actual training camps," she says, to virtual training grounds online.

Astley's members do more than monitor sites with potential terrorist activity. Astley says they engage suspected terrorists and their supporters, just as police officers establish contact with pedophiles online by posing as children and young teenagers.

Rossmiller usually works in the middle of the night -- afternoon in the Middle East. "I initially created my own identity just to see if I could get into these terrorist forums."

She decided to communicate with others on these terrorist websites, and then just kept creating more identities.

While still in its infancy, 7;Seas is looking into "actual real-world operation" -- meeting suspected terrorists or supporters face to face. This is a phase Astley is not ready to discuss.

Anonymous No More

While 7-Seas worked effectively in anonymity, its members have adapted to the increased visibility. "It's changed us in a lot of ways," Astley says.

It has forced the organization to redeploy internally. As the director, he says he's an "electronic paper-pusher" who hands "whatever information to whatever authorities I can" and also communicates with people trying to help the organization.

After Rossmiller was called on to testify, she had to go public. Her job as a judge gave her a fairly high profile in town. "I'm a public figure anyway, but I still had a private life," she says.

The new exposure has presented new challenges, Astley says, but "it hasn't changed what we do."

Astley says he's considered the increased personal risk quite a lot. With three children and a wife, he has more than his own security to think about.

"It's a concern but it's not a panic," Astley says. "I think there's a lot more relevant targets out there than me."

Rossmiller takes precautions, She hides her Internet protocol address when she is online, so that no one can trace her to the U.S., "or God forbid, Montana."

In some ways, the publicity has helped advance the organization's work. Astley believes he and his colleagues are raising awareness of the terrorist threats that are part of today's reality.

"Maybe other people will do similar things to help," Rossmiller says. But she adds, "Not everyone could pick up and do what we do. You do get burned out. It's stressful, but we're all dedicated."

While Astley would never discourage anyone, he says it's not a job for everyone.

"I would never encourage anyone to do it. It has to be something that comes from within you," he says. Looking slightly embarrassed at the cliche, he likens the work to a religious calling.

Charles Fleming, executive director of the Cyber Incident Detection & Data Analysis Center in Colorado, says that "you can't say bad things about " citizens' groups such as 7-Seas because they track terrorists on personal time.

7-Seas, Fleming says, "looks like a neighbourhood watch situation except in cyberspace. It's the same philosophy.

"I wouldn't discourage the interests of anyone," Fleming adds. But while 7-Seas' efforts are admirable, he says, it smacks of vigilantism. "They're opening themselves up for potential trouble," he says.

RCMP spokeswoman Beauchamp agrees, warning that amateur terrorist-tracking can present personal risks. "The RCMP doesn't encourage it," she says.

Everybody's traceable, she says, and the police aren't the only one with this capability. At the same time, the RCMP can't stop organized groups such ase 7-Seas, since they aren't doing anything illegal.

"They're average citizens that are using open source information. Whether they're an organized group or not, whatever way by legal means they obtain this information, if they want to pass it on to police we will follow up on all those leads."

Unpaid Work

For now, 7-Seas reaps no the financial rewards. In fact, the organization operates at a loss.

"We've done fairly well on a shoestring budget," Astley says. Or rather, members dip into their own pockets. "It's work we all love to do," he explains.

Rossmiller agrees it's not about the money. "We're here after two and a half years and we haven't made a dime."

Astley says a few months ago, he approached Human Resources Development Canada for a small business grant. "They laughed at me," he says with a shrug.

Despite its commitment to fight terrorism, the organization makes a point of remaining apolitical. "We don't take any political stance," Astley declares, but adds, "We're supporting the coalition side insofar as the war against terrorism."

In Canada, the risk of terrorism is as relevant as in the United States, Fleming says. "We all know it's happening."

When it comes to the Internet, and the tightly connected infrastructures and common bords of Canada and U.S., he adds, "it's a shared threat," especially as potential terrorists continue to find ways of sharing ideas and information online.

"It's never really gone down," he says.

Canadians don't take terrorist threats seriously enough, Astley says. "I don't think we're mentally and emotionally prepared for it.

"They're aware, but I think they feel it's somebody else's problem."

jchen@thecitizen.canwest.com

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3,114 posted on 08/19/2004 6:44:16 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: JustPiper
I already miss you, JP. :)

But I know you have work to do...


3,115 posted on 08/19/2004 6:51:14 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Cindy

I have to e-mail that on to my folks who are vacationing in Florida right now. LOL!


3,116 posted on 08/19/2004 6:51:17 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Honestly

Criminy.


3,117 posted on 08/19/2004 6:52:41 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: grizzfan

OMG, I just jumped out of all my skin.

Thought we were being *bombed*.

Called the police.

Seems when we were out of town over July 4th, the fireworks show was postponed until tonight.

(Guess I didn't get the memo)

Back after I change my underthings and start smoking or drinking or somethin'.

As Nully says: KeeeRyst!


3,118 posted on 08/19/2004 6:58:08 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta; All

LOL! Hope you are feeling more at ease now, Vel.

Look how mean and unfeeling and hateful us New York state residents are:

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DMV Launches Massive Crackdown On Drivers Without Valid Social Security Number
AUGUST 19TH, 2004

Keeping a closer eye on just who gets state and federal I.D. cards was something the 9/11 Commission highlighted in their final report. Now the state DMV is rearing a massive crackdown on drivers without valid social security numbers – a crackdown that worries many illegal immigrants.

It's a state law that has been in place since 1995. But thanks to new technology and increasing attention on identification fraud following 9/11, the state Department of Motor Vehicles is vowing to make sure for the first time that no New York driver renews their license without a real social security number.

"As we learned from 9/11, 18 of the 19 hijackers held valid driving licenses from other states, many of which were obtained through fraudulent means," said New York State DMV Commissioner Raymond Martinez. "These license documents issued in states where requirement were less stringent than those here in New York, allowed hijackers to board planes and execute acts of terrorism against our nation."

As a result of the new effort, up to 300,000 New Yorkers may lose their right to drive – many of them illegal immigrants without social security numbers.

Inside and outside a State Assembly hearing, immigrant advocates Thursday charged the crackdown unfairly targets immigrant families, who need to be able to drive in order to work.

"I believe we can find a middle ground to all this," said Fernando Mateo of Hispanics Across America. "But to take the license off of so many hard working immigrants is going to detrimental to not only the economy of the state, but to a lot of families."

But some of those who lost loved ones on 9/11 say it's not about discrimination but about keeping the country safe.

"It is common-sense security," said Al Regenhard who lost his son on 9/11. "The driver's license is a valued document. We use it everyday for business transactions, in the bank. We rent cars with the driver's license; we get on planes with it, and it should be at least honest."

The DMV agrees.

"There is no way to tell whether someone provided us with false information because of good intentions or bad intensions, however, in the interest of public security and traffic safety the rules must be applied to all," said Martinez.

So far, only several hundred licenses have been revoked, but starting in November, the state plans to start suspending several thousand a day.

– Janine Ramirez

http://www.ny1.com/ny/TopStories/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=1&subtopicintid=1&contentintid=42610#


3,119 posted on 08/19/2004 7:04:23 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: nw_arizona_granny

I posted that one here, because I was suspicious. (What else is new?)

Why would an American woman (from Houston) leave her children in Africa and go to Iraq with military contractors?

Yeah, OK for the money. Or was it?

What is the mother's name? Who is the father?
Where is the father?



3,120 posted on 08/19/2004 7:06:42 PM PDT by Velveeta
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