Posted on 08/09/2004 5:28:52 PM PDT by RWR8189
CHICAGO (CBS 2) Illinois' senate race is heating up with both Democrat Barack Obama and new Republican candidate Alan Keyes in town pressing the flesh and warming up to voters.
The Republican candidate in this race may just be getting started, but according to an exclusive new CBS 2/Newsradio 780 poll, Keyes has a long way to go. 67 percent of Illinois voters prefer Democrat Obama; 28 percent would choose Keyes.
Keyes and his supporters were feeling the heat of the August sun as he announced for U.S. Senate at a crowded rally in Arlington Heights. Our exclusive voter opinion survey shows Obama generating another kind of heat.
Obama's lead in our CBS 2/Newsradio 780 Survey was most pronounced among women voters, 74 percent to 21percent for Keyes. Among men, it was 59 percent to 36 percent.
There was no surprise in strongly Democratic Chicago: 79 percent for Obama, 16 percent for Keyes.
But in the heavily Republican collar counties, it was Obama with 62 percent, Keyes with 34 percent. . Even downstate, 56 percent of those polled preferred Obama to 38 percent for Keyes. The results were almost the same in rural areas: 57 percent to 39 percent.
Virtually every Democrat we talked to favored Obama. Among independent voters, 64 percent chose Obama, 30 percent chose Keyes. Even among Republicans, 27 percent defected to Obama, 67 percent chose Keyes.
White voters went 62 percent to 32 percent for Obama; black voters by a margin of 89 percent to 10 percent.
The poll was conducted by Survey USA this past Friday and Saturday. It is accurate to within plus or minus four percentage points.
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Except that I think Keyes is right --- when someone else benefits from your labor and it wasn't a voluntary donation it's the same as slavery. Slavery is when someone works for the economic benefit of someone else --- and that's exactly what taxes are about. And the government deciding who is and who isn't a "person" protected by the law when the who is obviously a human being certainly applies to slavery and the pre-born.
If he does worse than no one running? Good thing that is statisticcally impossible.
And if, just if, he does better than expected it'll help the marginal seats.
Nice ten point presentation which was very revealing, since I've not followed Mr. Liberalpants. I can see clearly now and thanks for the post. I will pass this along to my Illinois conservatives and we'll get the momentum going.
I have often urged Keyes on this forum to expand his repertoire, and to find some better way to communicate in a more tangible and practical way, just why his views should be embraced. Obviously, he isn't reading them, or doesn't agree with them, or both. :)
Hey, well, look on the bright side... at least we didn't bring Chuck Percy out of mothballs. Talk about a kook.
The same thing I say on the "Bush is losing in the polls" threads --- how on earth can there be a reliable poll today? Who answers their telephones anymore if they have caller ID --- or are at work all day? They can't do a man on the street kind of poll --- that certainly is no good cross section either. Exactly how are these polls made up? How does any pollster even pretend they have a good representative number of anyone? Maybe it's those pop-ups that keep coming up on our screens asking us who we would vote for? Those are the absolute only polls I've seen or heard of lately.
You've nailed it. This is going to get a lot of press. A lot. Say it loud and say it clear, Mr. Keyes. We're listening.
Wow! I wonder how soon his campaign hq moves to Vegas!
As I said, Keyes just isn't the kind of advocate that does much for me in the public square, except annoy. I just have to be honest about that.
I think he was just referring to the income tax --- which is really the government confiscation the profits of our labor --- which is what slavery also is. Labor should not be taxed --- and wasn't during the time of the Founding Fathers.
May I add some punctuation that would make your sentence more accurate? The Beast visited every county in NY and "listened" to the voters.
I never saw such a fake exercise in my life. Our local "listening" event was confined to a single topic: student volunteering. Pre-selected student volunteers were handed the microphone for their stories, as she gazed at them adoringly. She gave a set speech I heard her give at a local event the year before. Audience participation was a joke. Anything she didn't wish to answer, she just acted like she was "listening," which after all was all she promised.
Local newspaper and regional TV coverage was amazing to me. They surely hadn't covered the same event I attended. I asked the custodian how many folding chairs were provided. Local media inflated the crowd by 5X. The room was 3/4 full at the beginning; 1/4 full at the end. No reporting on the exodus, or the reason for it. My perception: I came, I saw, I left.
And I was attacked as a "defeatist" for predicting Keyes would not win this election
Keyes is being interviewed on BET right now and OMG! That reporterette looks befuddled and bemused.
May I add some punctuation that would make your sentence more accurate? The Beast visited every county in NY and "listened" to the voters.
I never saw such a fake exercise in my life. Our local "listening" event was confined to a single topic: student volunteering. Pre-selected student volunteers were handed the microphone for their stories, as she gazed at them adoringly. She gave a set speech I heard her give at a local event the year before. Audience participation was a joke. Anything she didn't wish to answer, she just acted like she was "listening," which after all was all she promised.
Local newspaper and regional TV coverage was amazing to me. They surely hadn't covered the same event I attended. I asked the custodian how many folding chairs were provided. Local media inflated the crowd by 5X. The room was 3/4 full at the beginning; 1/4 full at the end. No reporting on the exodus, or the reason for it. My perception: I came, I saw, I left.
Pretty good guesstimate of the final tally,but a point or too high for Keyes;I think.
Anyhow the moderate/liberal wing of the Republican party isn't going to understand or agree with Keyes anymore than the conservative wing agrees with the moderates/liberals. We really should try to help each others' candidates beat out the democrats --- that's the only purpose in the coalition between the two.
Hmmm, ya'll need to have a positive attitude. Having a conservative vs. an extream liberal will be an excellent comparison and contrast on a national scale as well as in Illinois. I doubt if Obama will wilt under pressure from Keyes, but then again he IS a liberal - anything is possible if Keyes can push the right buttons in the right way.
I don't agree with Keyes' views on abortion by the way. I think they are extreme, and I don't share his a priori assumptions.
It doesn't have to be technical, complex, or that boring --- but it depends on viewpoint. Conservatives would go back to the taxes mentioned in the Constitution --- the income tax was added much later. Moderate/liberals might see the income tax as a very good kind of tax but conservatives see it as slavery.
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