Posted on 08/07/2004 7:42:37 AM PDT by syriacus
"But one accuser quickly recants"
WRONG!
Absolutely! I went to the link for the email addy to contact them and quickly sent them an email to please check all the *facts* before they report the *facts* which are misleading. That if they did a little research before presenting *facts* they would have known that Elliot said Kranis and the Globe misquoted him and that he did NOT recant or retract his statement.
I have to go to an appointment, but could you check and see which Elliott affadavit the author is quoting, please. If he does not have the second affadavit, you need to ask him , why not.
18. What else can I do to help?
E-mail this information and the quotes from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth from the initial press conference to as many people as you can. Ask them to e-mail it to their friends. With few exceptions, the mainstream media is trying to ignore our story. We need the help of every American to prompt Senator Kerry to disclose what he did and did not do in Vietnam, and the importance of all this to our country.
If Senator Kerry’s claims about his military service are true, then he has no reason to further delay fully disclosing his records since the missing documents will support those claims.
But in fact his claims are not true. We were there. We saw what did and did not happen, and we intend to set the record straight.
from:
http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=FAQ
Point everyone to:
http://www.swiftvets.com
Original press release:
SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH FORMS ORGANIZATION
Goals are to restore honor of Vietnam vets; Rebut John Kerry’s unanswered lies; Bring the truth about Kerry’s service to the public
(May 4-Washington, D.C.) Today, a group of Swift Boat veterans from the unit in which Senator John Kerry served announced the formation of an organization, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. The organization has been formed in order to bring the truth about Kerry to the American people. The organization intends to discuss Kerry’s war crimes charges, Kerry’s record and to request that Kerry authorize the Department of Defense to release the originals and the complete files relating to his military service and medical military records.
The group released a historic letter expressing the overwhelming opposition of those who served with Kerry or in his unit to his misrepresentation of his record and the unit’s record. The letter is signed by Swift Boat veterans at all levels and from the entire political spectrum; the entire chain of command during the period Kerry served in Vietnam; veterans who participated in the engagements resulting in his medals; and the majority of officers who served with him in Coastal Division 11, the unit in which he spent most of his four month tour of duty. Public circulation of the letter began one week ago and collected hundreds of signatures. The signers already make up a majority of the Swift Vets whose addresses can be found. The complete record of signers and comments will be posted on Swiftvets.com.
Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann, USN (retired), Commander of Coastal Surveillance Force Vietnam (Commander Task Force 115) and chair of the group said, “I signed this letter because I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust - all absolute tenets of command.”
“We don’t understand why Kerry would make the centerpiece of his campaign an exaggerated account of his four month service in Vietnam 33 years ago, but since he is, we believe the American public is entitled to the truth about his service and about his charges about war crimes and atrocities,” explained John O’Neill, a Swift Boat veteran who took charge of Kerry’s boat a few months after Kerry’s departure and who debated Kerry in 1971.
The Swift Boat Vets for Truth include the entire chain of command above Kerry: Lt. Commander Grant Hibbard, Lt. Commander Elliott, Captain Charles Plumly, Captain Adrian Lonsdale USCG (retired) and Rear Admiral Hoffmann (retired), as well as enlisted men, officers, men who served with Mr. Kerry, men who served in the same group of Swift boats and men intimately familiar with the operations and conduct of Swift boat operations during the war. The group also includes James Zumwalt, Lt. Colonel, U.S.M.C. (retired), representing his father, Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, and brother, Lt. Elmo Zumwalt III, both deceased.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is a Special Purpose Political Action Committee.
Chairman, Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann (retired)
Treasurer, Weymouth “Wey” Symmes
PO Box 26184
Alexandria, VA 22313
http://SwiftVets.com
At least the Boston Snotglob "reporter" says that one of the veterans has recanted.
That's not what the veteran says.
Who ya gonna believe - a veteran, or a Left-wing indoctrinated "journalist"?
Yes. One of their two researchers, Seth Goldman, worked "at Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's campaign committee."
Here's some information on Brooks Jackson, the Director of Annenberg Political Fact Check
Brooks Jackson is a journalist who covered Washington and national politics for 32 years, reporting in turn for The Associated Press, the Wall Street Journal and CNN. At CNN he pioneered the "adwatch" and "factcheck" form of stories debunking false and misleading political statements starting with the Presidential election of 1992. His investigative reporting for The AP and the Journal won several national awards. He is the author of two books: Honest Graft: Big Money and the American Political Process (Knopf, 1988) and Broken Promise: Why the Federal Election Commission Failed (Twentieth Century Fund: 1990).
Hmmmmmmmmm. Didn't I see the Annenberg Center described as 'non-partisan' on another post this morning? At the very least, they should do some more 'fact-checking'. They seem to have left out a few here.
I think the buttocks wound was when Kerry thew a grenade into a small boat filled with rice and he got too close. The arm injury occurred when he was thrown against the bulkhead of his pilot house as the mine exploded. If I have the story correct.
Yes. They are.
Already posted--the Globe and it's pro-Kerry writer LIED about Elliott's retraction. This article snips and dices Elliott's "retraction" statement to make the outcome what this guy at Annenburg wants.
vaudine
Since Kerry's mouthpiece works for the Globe which is owned by the NY Times, isn't this the same as saying Kerry says one has recanted.
Who would the public believe if they knew the accused (Kerrry) was again lying about his accusers?
Goebbels was nothing compared to the DNC & DNPartei!
Yesterday a post was made stating that the gentleman you say retracted his statement actually did not retract it. Someone better get their facts straight.
I thought it was Moveon.org.
Harken back to the (still-running but totally-refuted) Bush-AWOL non-story. A story which first was made 'credible' by the likes of 'Lumpy Riefenstahl,' AKA Michael Moore, then covered to death by the usual suspects at the NYT, NBC, ABC, CBS, and the rest.
No mention is made, or is not made that 'the story'against Bush is being advanced by partisan elements. No, the media picks them up as though they have merit (despite having already investigated them in 2000).
Now consider that triple-draft-dodger, William the Impeached received scant mainstream press investigation into his military records.
Bottom Line: Big News is in a Death-Spiral, and may not ever fully recover. Its too easy to pick them apart. Their operations will continue to shrink unless they can be subsidized. And the only thing going for them is if they can convince the US body politic to return some of their democrat allies to positions of power.
Free Republic and other sites like it is where this is all taking place. We are laying bare the big lie that supposedly objective media is truly unbiased.
Yep. It seems that FNC is drifting to the rats side just like C-span did years ago. If they keep it up, I don't see any point in paying extra satellite costs to get FNC.
That "someone" is you, pctech.
Follow the threads here and you would have seen the new affidavit by Capt. Elliot which affirms his first affidavit and which asserts that the globe "reporter" lied.
Be an informed citizen by doing your own research here rather than dropping catty comments displaying your ignorance of an important event.
AV
Yes. But, we may have to wait until Monday, for them to correct their mistake.
I'll bet the Networks use this Factcheck web page to bolster the "facts" they broadcast this weekend. They will do that even though they know Elliot was not really recanting his statement.
If I understand correctly (thanks to what I've learned on FR) Elliot was merely making clear, in his second statement, that Kerry's and Kranish's published story says Kerry shot the young man in the back.
Elliot has no first hand knowledge of the event and is relying on Kerry's own admission for this version of Kerry's story.
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