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Ads debate Kerry's military record (making the rounds)
Arizona Daily Star ^ | August 7, 2004 | Joe Burchell

Posted on 08/07/2004 3:39:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

In Vietnam, Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and Dallas attorney John E. O'Neill commanded the same Swift boat, although not at the same time.

Two years later they debated bitterly on national TV about America's conduct in that war.

This week they're the focus of an equally bitter continuation of that conflict.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group O'Neill helped form, has taken out $500,000 in TV advertising challenging Kerry's highly decorated war record, claiming stories of his heroism were fabricated, and that he wasn't entitled to two of the three Purple Hearts or the Bronze and Silver stars he was awarded.

From his earliest campaign ads, including at least two aired in Tucson, through his rousing speech at the Democratic National Convention, Kerry has highlighted his service in Vietnam as evidence of his leadership ability, particularly at a time of war.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ads, running in Ohio, Wisconsin and West Virginia, but not Arizona, say the group formed to "provide solid factual information" about Kerry's tour of duty.

The group includes veterans who served on Swift boats in Vietnam, including some of the commanders who recommended Kerry for the awards they now say he didn't deserve.

Although none served under his command, they say they were close enough to the 1969 events - in some cases within 50 yards - to know the truth.

Although they aren't affiliated with the Republican Party, they are backed by several of the party's longtime big contributors and activists.

A number of them have acknowledged they are still bitter toward Kerry for his highly vocal role more than 30 years ago in Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and his 1971 statements that American soldiers, himself included, committed war crimes in Vietnam.

The anti-Kerry ads are something of a role-reversal from a few months ago, when some top Democratic leaders were questioning President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard during Vietnam.

Although the National Guard has been a prime source of personnel for Iraq, in the Vietnam era it was generally seen as an alternative to being drafted and sent to Vietnam.

In February, Kerry asked his Democratic colleagues to stop challenging Bush on that issue, but stopped short of repudiating their charges.

Similarly, the Bush White House has neither endorsed nor denounced the ad criticizing Kerry's war record, nor asked the group to withdraw it.

Thirty-seven years after the fact the challenge against Kerry's service boils down to one side's word versus the other's. Military records and statements by most crewmen who served with him support Kerry's side, while the recollections of nearly 200 veterans who served at the same time disagree.

This is what is known about the points raised in the dueling TV versions of history:

Kerry enlisted in 1966, while still a student at Yale. He volunteered to go to Vietnam and to command a Swift boat.

President Bush enlisted in the National Guard in 1968.

John O'Neill, one of the founders of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, took over Kerry's command when Kerry was sent home after being awarded his third Purple Heart.

White House tapes from 1971 show O'Neill was recruited by Chuck Colson, then an aide to Republican President Nixon, to debate Kerry on the Dick Cavett Show over Kerry's claims Americans were committing war crimes, and to appear at news conferences. Colson was later convicted for his role in Watergate.

Merrie Spaeth, the anti-Kerry group's Dallas-based media representative, is a former White House media director under Republican President Reagan. She was a communications consultant to Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr during his investigation of Democratic President Bill Clinton. She gave a maximum $2,000 to the Bush re-election campaign, and has given about $5,000 to other national GOP candidates since 2000.

As of their last campaign finance filing, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth received $100,000 of their $158,000 in contributions from Bob J. Perry, a Houston home builder. He has contributed at least $260,000 to national Republican candidates and organizations over the last five years. He also gave maximum $2,000 contributions to the Bush 2004 re-election campaign and to Attorney General John Ashcroft's unsuccessful U.S. Senate campaign in 2000.

Significant political contributions could be found for only two leaders of the anti-Kerry group.

Eleven of the 12 men who actually served with Kerry support his version of events, according to Scripps Howard News Service.

Although none of Kerry's detractors served on the same boat, retired Adm. Roy F. Hoffmann said they were operating 25 to 50 yards away, while others have described the distance as "a few yards." By contrast, "Tour of Duty," a Kerry biography, describes his wounds and the rescue of Army Special Forces Lt. Jim Rassmann that resulted in one Purple Heart and his Bronze Star as happening "several hundred yards" from the second boat involved.

The detractors also deny Kerry was under enemy fire when he pulled Rassmann from a river, a claim Rassmann disputes and that is inconsistent with the Navy citation accompanying the award. Rassman is featured in pro-Kerry ads.

In a May interview with the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Hoffmann said he didn't have any firsthand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims.

A sworn statement by Dr. Louis Letson claims he treated Kerry for a shrapnel wound in the arm that led to his first Purple Heart. He described the wound as a "slight injury" and says a Kerry crewman told him there was no hostile fire and the shrapnel was from a grenade Kerry had thrown himself.

But military medical records provided by the Kerry campaign to the nonpartisan Annenberg Institute show he was treated by a J.C. Carreon, not Letson, and Kerry crewmates deny talking to Letson.

Navy Lt. Commander Grant Hibbard, Kerry's former commander, who appears in the anti-Kerry ad, signed a statement saying he turned down the request for Kerry's first Purple Heart because the wound was insignificant. But in a Boston Globe interview in April, Hibbard acknowledged he eventually acquiesced to the award, despite having questions.

Also, Hibbard's statement describing the wound as "a tiny scratch, less than from a rose thorn" is inconsistent with Letson's description of it as shrapnel lodged in the arm.

Much of Hibbard's statement is devoted to criticizing Kerry for "betrayal of his shipmates" for his anti-war activities after returning from Vietnam.

Former Lt. Commander George Elliott, another former Kerry commander who appears in the anti-Kerry ad, retracted his comments Thursday, saying he made "a terrible mistake" when he said Kerry didn't deserve a Silver Star for shooting a Viet Cong who was carrying a rocket launcher.

It was Elliott who glowingly recommended Kerry for that award in 1969, and he said he still believes Kerry deserves it. He also recommended Kerry for the Bronze Star.

Elliott said he felt pressured to sign the statement presented by the group because it was rushing to put out an anti-Kerry book before the election.

Contact reporter Joe Burchell at 573-4244 or jburchell@azstarnet.com.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; ads; johnkerry; kerry; swiftboats; swiftboatveterans; vets; vietnam
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To: Bahbah

Yeah, I noticed they pushed all of the Democrat hate buttons, even mentioning Ken Starr, a woman who worked for him, and even how much money she contributed.


21 posted on 08/07/2004 5:00:54 AM PDT by libertylover (The Constitution is a road-map to liberty. Let's start following it again.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Thirty-seven years after the fact the challenge against Kerry's service boils down to one side's word versus the other's.

If I'm not mistaken, kerry is the one who ALWAYS mentions that he served in Vietnam.

37 years after Nam, and he brings it up time and time again. Now that someone is calling his service and awards questionable, he is crying foul. Well DUH!

22 posted on 08/07/2004 5:14:06 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The dumbocRATs have their heads buried in the sand.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Wow. That AZ Star piece sure is a hit on the Swift Boat veterans. The author of the piece puts up unrelated smears (Colson's involvement in Watergate), and outright lies about the substance of Elliott's affidavits.

The media are truly enemies of the Republic.

23 posted on 08/07/2004 5:19:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Dark Knight
"Although none served under his command,..."

This is at odds with:

"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying.

I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"

-- Steven Gardner


Maybe the author is a product of the "New Math" and doesn't realize that NONE equals ZERO!
24 posted on 08/07/2004 5:25:25 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Although none served under his command, they say they were close enough to the 1969 events - in some cases within 50 yards - to know the truth.

Wrong. Steven Gardner served under Kerry for 2 1/2 months as his gunner and is part of the SBVFT. I wonder why the MST doesn't interview him. I heard Gardner on Savage last night and he was quite credible.

25 posted on 08/07/2004 5:26:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Bahbah

IIRC, it's not true that Colson "recruited" O'Neill.

O'Neill came to the attention of the WH because he already was out and about making speeches. And he'd been on Cavett several times before the notable debate with Kerry.


26 posted on 08/07/2004 5:27:59 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Bahbah
Isn't that the truth. The things that struck me in this story were the very selective "truths" about Kerry, i.e., everything he or his supporters says is taken at face value because of course, they have no political axes to grind. No mention of Kerry seeking student deferments. No mention of the rather peculiar habit of making home movie re-enactments of his exploits. The implication that his service records are out there for all to see, when he refuses to release them. The reference to Colson is absurd. If they want to play that game, why not delve into the past of some of the anti-war protesters with whom Kerry consorted? Jane Fonda is the least of his problems in that regard, from what I've read. Besides which, if the standard for veracity is the prison term of your colleagues, that's bad news for Bill Clinton! But of course, none of this applies to him. As for the ominous Houston homebuilder, why can't the guy fund this group if he so chooses? Or is that privilege only reserved for George Soros and Teresa Heinz Kerry? The media, having spent much time pooh-poohing Mrs. Kerry's connections via the Tides Foundation, is showing their hypocrisy even more than usual.

By the way, re. Kerry's service records... I was thinking how nice it would be for everyone to send him a Form 180 (or whatever it is) to release his records. I am half tempted to contact his campaign and ask for the materials to make a contribution, then just put the form into the envelope and mail it back to him.

27 posted on 08/07/2004 5:28:37 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I wrote the following Letter to the Editor on the "Ads debate Kerry's military record" article.

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There are several errors, omissions or biases in your article.

You wrote: "Although none served under his command,..." and "Although none of Kerry's detractors served on the same boat".

That is inaccurate. Steve Gardner, one of the "detractors" who disputes the circumstances surrounding at least one of Kerry's medals, served on Kerry's boat as a machine gunner.

You wrote: "But military medical records provided by the Kerry campaign to the nonpartisan Annenberg Institute show he was treated by a J.C. Carreon, not Letson, and Kerry crewmates deny talking to Letson."

Dr. Letson treated Kerry. J.C. Carreon, an enlisted hospital corpsman who worked with Dr. Letson at the time, most likely completed the paperwork. It was common practice for enlisted men and women in the medical field to fill out the required record entries. I did when I served in the U. S. Navy medical and dental fields.

You wrote: "Hibbard's statement describing the wound as "a tiny scratch, less than from a rose thorn" is inconsistent with Letson's description of it as shrapnel lodged in the arm. "

I heard Dr. Letson describe the shrapnel injury he treated, and his description was consistent with "a tiny scratch, less than from a rose thorn". Dr. Letson stated the shrapnel was barely hanging from a tiny wound. He used a pair of tweezers to remove the shrapnel -- no anesthesia required and no time off required. It was a scratch! Dr. Letson stated he was astonished when he heard much later that Kerry had applied for and received a Purple Heart for the wound.

You wrote: "Former Lt. Commander George Elliott, another former Kerry commander who appears in the anti-Kerry ad, retracted his comments Thursday, saying he made "a terrible mistake" when he said Kerry didn't deserve a Silver Star for shooting a Viet Cong who was carrying a rocket launcher . . . Elliott said he felt pressured to sign the statement presented by the group because it was rushing to put out an anti-Kerry book before the election."

That statement came from a recent Boston Globe article. Elliot said in a more recent affidavit that the Boston Globe reporter misquoted him. Elliot stands by everything he said in the ad.

You wrote: "Although the National Guard has been a prime source of personnel for Iraq, in the Vietnam era it was generally seen as an alternative to being drafted and sent to Vietnam . . . President Bush enlisted in the National Guard in 1968."

The continual implication of this DNC talking point is that President Bush avoided Vietnam by joining the National Guard. The truth is the NG unit Bush signed up for was in combat in Vietnam at the time he signed up, and anyone joining that unit at that time would reasonably expect to be in combat when they continued their long, difficult fighter pilot training (The biased media - no one - ever mentions how difficult it is to become a U.S. military fighter pilot. That would destroy the "Bush is stupid" myth).

You went into great detail about the (so far minor) fund-raising of the swift boat veterans in a what I perceive to be a biased attempt to smear them. If you have went into the same detail on the $50+ million dollars raised by 527's to smear President Bush, then I apologize for my insinuation.


28 posted on 08/07/2004 5:29:37 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Cboldt

The media really is show it's true colors here. Forget all the he said/he said stuff for a moment. How cannot they not question the contradictions in "Tour of Duty, the Kranish Globe bio, and Kerry's statements to congress. How can they not wonder why Kerry won't release his full records? They are circling the wagons in defense of "their" war hero.


29 posted on 08/07/2004 5:30:12 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: GraceCoolidge; angkor

"As for the ominous Houston homebuilder, why can't the guy fund this group if he so chooses?"

To whom did they expect the Swifties to go for help, the DNC? And of course the use of the term "recruited" is meant to have sinister overtones.


30 posted on 08/07/2004 5:35:42 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: PhilipFreneau
"Although the National Guard has been a prime source of personnel for Iraq, in the Vietnam era it was generally seen as an alternative to being drafted and sent to Vietnam . . . President Bush enlisted in the National Guard in 1968."

Boston Globe, 6/16/2003: ........"I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said in a little-noticed contribution to a book of Vietnam reminiscences published in 1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing."......... But two weeks after he arrived in Vietnam, the swift boat mission changed -- and Kerry went from having one of the safest assignments in the escalating conflict to one of the most dangerous.

Boston Globe, 6/16/2003: ......... He requested and was granted a transfer out of Vietnam six months before his combat tour was slated to end on the grounds that he had earned three Purple Hearts. None of his wounds was disabling; he said one cost him two days of service and the other two did not lead to any absence. .........The bottom line is that Kerry could have remained but he chose to seek an early transfer.

31 posted on 08/07/2004 5:36:06 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Casloy
Kerry could for the most part end all of this by releasing his military records. The news media for the most part want only to persecute Conservatives and Republicans.Terry MacCauliffe brought up George Bush military and made numerous false accusations that were protein to be false and the so called "Mainstream Media" ran with it for weeks.
Remember the Ryan subject from Illinois and how the so called "Mainstream Media" ran with his divorce records and even brought suit to have them open to the public. This is the same news media that keeps quite about Kerry's Military records and divorce.
It is really sad that we have so many dumb Americans who dont know how to get to the truth and that are spoon fed by the Democrat Party through their subsidiaries of the so called "Mainstream Media".
Now the Democrats under the heading of the U.S. Congress are trying to intimidate the one News Organization they dont control by veiled threats.
32 posted on 08/07/2004 5:42:51 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: Arrowhead1952

The US NAVY RECORDS DEPARTMENT has John F. Kerry's old record SOMEWHERE....he does not have to release it for it to become public.....IMHO


33 posted on 08/07/2004 5:44:02 AM PDT by Kackikat (,Kerry=the counterfeit, GWBush is the real deal!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What Irks me, is that the Media want to skewer Viet Nam Vets, who served this Country, but not John Kerry because ....he is DEMOCRAT SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS. SHHHHEEESH..talk about a double standard. MCCain himself gets to be above the fray...because he is a Senator...WELL I AM HERE TO TELL YOU , JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A SENATOR ..DOES NOT GET YOU A "GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD".


34 posted on 08/07/2004 5:53:10 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: Bahbah
And of course the use of the term "recruited" is meant to have sinister overtones.

Not to mention the use of the word "home builder"! I am sure that to the liberals, that smacks of some kind of self-employed, income producing, environment destroying, and quite possibly church-attending wacko!!!

35 posted on 08/07/2004 5:57:02 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The media is going to defend Kerry no matter what. If this gets some more people to back away from Kerry in disgust, all the better.

That's the point. The media cannot defend his lies to the Senate panel. If they try, he'll sink further. By contrast, they can defend his "heroism," because they refuse to demand his medical records.

Newt is right. The vets must attack what Kerry did after the war. Getting into his service record may only create a backlash for Kerry.

I pray that his "atrocities" will be phase II before it's too late.

36 posted on 08/07/2004 6:00:46 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: GraceCoolidge

LOL. BTW, I just heard the Fox and Friends mention that one of the Swifties in the ad had recanted what he said about Kerry. As I understand it, this has been proven false. Does Fox not have this information? Oh, and some media consultant on the program says Bush should come out and condemn the ad and declare Kerry a war hero, and that Bush "probably" had the power to get it pulled. Right! Bush should trash these vets. I don't see that happening, and I wonder what "power" the president has to tell people what they can and cannot say.


37 posted on 08/07/2004 6:03:31 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: PhilipFreneau

#28 is a great post. Terse and to the point. Thanks.


38 posted on 08/07/2004 6:10:00 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

In the Rassmann incident, what were the nature
of Kerry's wounds?


39 posted on 08/07/2004 6:15:54 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: GailA

Oh, but media experts are rushing to get on tv and warn republicans that this ad deflects the public's attention from the issues. Kerry is running on his military service record. If phony, it should be exposed. We're at war, and Kerry's fitness to lead this country as CinC matters. Well, never mind, media experts warn, Bush has 'military experience issues' that might embarrass him. Best to drop this ad. Besides, McCain thinks we shouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, and in most military matters, he gets the last word, so I guess that's that. Oh, well, Howie Noneck Dean says the terror threat is baloney, just put out there by Bush for political reasons to scare us into voting for him. Gee, that makes me feel better. He had me really going there for a minute. So we're okay, guys. Nothing to worry about.


40 posted on 08/07/2004 6:20:50 AM PDT by hershey
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