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Victor Davis Hanson: Europe's Choice (Crapweasels piling up negative brownie points)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | August 5, 2004 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 08/05/2004 8:34:54 AM PDT by quidnunc

"Kerry must win, you see, so we can be friends again." You hear things like this these days in Europe. George Bush's campaign staffers may tease about John Kerry's French connections, his Europhile mannerisms, and his unguarded boasts that the Continent is pulling for him, but such caricatures are closer to the truth than even the Republican operatives suspect.

Europeans casually talk of the Kerry rapprochement to come, as if in their magnanimity they have given Americans one last chance to return to sobriety. They exude a bold confidence, even to strangers, that the brightened prospects of the Democratic challenger are proof that America has seen the European light and therefore, of course, Mr. Kerry must win. Never has Europe been so emotionally involved in an American election — and never to their peril have they read America so wrong.

Michael Moore is offered up as proof of grassroots American unhappiness with the president. Was he not perched in an exalted seat at the Democratic convention? Completely lost on Europeans is that Mr. Moore, for all his notoriety, is still a cult figure. As the list of cinematic distortions in his recent film grows, "Fahrenheit 9/11" increasingly will be relegated to the genre of crass propaganda once mastered by the far more gifted Leni Riefenstahl in her similarly slanted "political documentary," "Triumph of Will."

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1 posted on 08/05/2004 8:34:56 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: Tolik

FYI


2 posted on 08/05/2004 8:35:31 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

With Friends like these... who needs any more enemies???

I would rather have their respect and maybe a little fear!!!!!


3 posted on 08/05/2004 8:36:48 AM PDT by HowardLSmith.ô¿ô (A BUSH VOTE IS A VOTE FOR SECURITY AND PROSPERITY!!!!)
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To: quidnunc

Groan. This is so true. My husband is a college professor (most of whom lean left anyway) and although he is a Dem, he is a patriot and is trying to think through the issues. He spent one day exhibiting with fellow profs at a trade show last week and came home telling me how the US had lost respect among Europeans. One of his colleagues goes to Germany several times a year because his son lives there. They really, really don't like us. My response is to assure my beloved that I don't care what they think of us. I don't respect them, so why should I care? We're better than they are as a society. I don't want us to change our spots to intermingle with theirs. Aargh!


4 posted on 08/05/2004 8:41:48 AM PDT by twigs
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To: quidnunc
As the list of cinematic distortions in his recent film grows, "Fahrenheit 9/11" increasingly will be relegated to the genre of crass propaganda once mastered by the far more gifted Leni Riefenstahl in her similarly slanted "political documentary," "Triumph of Will."

Europeans sure like their nazis.

"Peace in our time" was Bill Clinton's rule.

He didn't care about a year after his time!

5 posted on 08/05/2004 8:49:53 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: quidnunc

bump


6 posted on 08/05/2004 8:51:26 AM PDT by VOA
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To: quidnunc
EU and the UN loves us when 3000 Americans are murdered and we are on our knees. But when we eliminate potential threats... gore their cash cows...take action against terrorists states...expose the fat cats that are making big money from the terrorists..and flex our military muscle...the eruoweenies come out in opposition.

Of course they are wishing to go back to pre-911 under clintoon. Which is exactly what will happen under Skerry.

7 posted on 08/05/2004 8:52:03 AM PDT by TUX (Domino effect)
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To: twigs
You should explain to them that the Euros never liked us - they just kept it under wraps because of the USSR. It is good it is out in the open now.

We will most likely be at war with them in twenty years or so. Meantime, we can have the pleasure, one hopes, of watching them cringe and a GWB landslide.

8 posted on 08/05/2004 8:54:37 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: CasearianDaoist

Right after I explained how I felt about his colleagues' concern, there was a piece on the news about how several countries had blocked our attempt in the UN to help Sudan. That got his attention and he said that they WERE pretty amoral. I do make steps forward in the ongoing debate, but for every step I make forward, there is always a .9 step backward. Fortunately, Kerry himselsf is making it easier for me.


9 posted on 08/05/2004 8:59:02 AM PDT by twigs
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To: twigs
They are not amoral, they are immoral. I do not know how you take it, you must be young. My experience tells me that Dems, particularly academics, have to find out the truth on their own. The old saw "A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged" has a grain of truth to it. I was an academic in the 1980's and the left chased me right out of there.

Good luck with that, you will need it.

What is odd is the you are the wife. generally it is the other way around.

10 posted on 08/05/2004 9:03:22 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: quidnunc

Europe doesn't like us and we don't like Europe... Now thinking what we have done for Europe vs what Europe has done for us... for us this in a good thing... next war in Europe... let the bastered burn...


11 posted on 08/05/2004 9:05:45 AM PDT by tophat9000
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To: quidnunc; Everybody
Hanson writes:

The election of John Kerry would probably not reverse either the current policy in Iraq or the ongoing reappraisal of foreign relations.

The European fixation with the upcoming election and rabid hatred of George Bush instead may backfire in the U.S.; indeed, even now European animus acerbates growing unease with what Americans read and see abroad.
As never before the Europeans have unabashedly called for the defeat of an incumbent American president in the next election.

They better hope that George Bush loses.

I don't get it Victor, -- Why should they worry, if Bush losing -- "would probably not reverse either the current policy in Iraq or the ongoing reappraisal of foreign relations" ?

And squid, -- what does his column have to do with "Crapweasels piling up negative brownie points"?

12 posted on 08/05/2004 9:06:29 AM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson yo)
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To: tophat9000

DITTO your#11


13 posted on 08/05/2004 9:08:23 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: quidnunc
"The irony seems lost that the recently much-maligned Anglo-Saxon muscularity that ended Baathist Iraq is the logical successor to the same unapologetic partnership of Churchill and Roosevelt that once interfered in continental Europe to save it from its own indigenous fascism."

This and the continuing effort by the US to protect Europe from Soviet intervention are the only reasons that the Eurotwits currently enjoy relative peace and harmony. They did NOT do it via their own efforts.

14 posted on 08/05/2004 9:13:03 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: CasearianDaoist
You're right; those countries are immoral. And I'm not as young as I'd like to be. I started out as a liberal democrat and changed as I raised a daughter. I went to one college dinner with my husband and sat next to a very leftist prof, but at least a very nice one with a sense of humor. I explained to him that, like him, I had been a liberal once too, but I had grown up. I also explained that having children (which he did not have) can change one's persepctive. I continue to assure my hsuband that he married me because he needed the challenge!!

All of this was in good humor. But, apparently, at the daily lunch table, there is a humorless, mean-spirited group that tell him as they discuss spouses and politics together that they couldn't remain married to someone as "radical" as his wife. Nice, huh?

15 posted on 08/05/2004 9:17:40 AM PDT by twigs
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To: tpaine
They better hope that George Bush loses.

I don't get it Victor, -- Why should they worry, if Bush losing -- "would probably not reverse either the current policy in Iraq or the ongoing reappraisal of foreign relations" ?

Because they are making themselves President Bush's enemies. If Bush is reelected, they will have a president who does not appreciate their backstabbing instead of one grateful for it. I hope that Bush will be willing to separate the wheat of New Europe and Britain from the chaff of Old Europe in his second term.

16 posted on 08/05/2004 9:26:02 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Sandy, is that a top secret document in your pants or are you just happy to see me?)
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To: twigs

They really really really didn't like us when Reagan refused to buckle to the Soviets too. The protests then had hundreds of thousands in them, he was a "crazy cowboy", we were crazy warmongers, we were going to destroy the world, we were no better then the Soviets, blah blah blah. A few years latter they were popping Champaigne and dancing on the Berlin Wall. We are right again and like the spoiled brats that they are, that means they will hate us for being right.


17 posted on 08/05/2004 9:28:26 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: twigs
All of this was in good humor. But, apparently, at the daily lunch table, there is a humorless, mean-spirited group that tell him as they discuss spouses and politics together that they couldn't remain married to someone as "radical" as his wife. Nice, huh?

It is sad that liberals cannot be trusted to not let friendship be lost over their political ideology. Most liberal folk I knew no longer asssociate with me or my wife, or if they do it is to try to pull the wool over my eyes with comments like the democrats really love this country. Oh really? I would have my spouse look for work in a more tolerant community, like a conservative university in the South, his days are numbered at this institution, because as you say he looks into things and tries to understand them. He soon will understand that his college buds are not on his side.

18 posted on 08/05/2004 9:31:20 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom

Unfortunately, he works in a very limited field and there are few colleges that offer degrees in his specialty. He keeps politics out of his classroom and actually, so do most of the teachers there. I know because I take classes. He will be retiring in the next 10 years or so, so I can't imagine us moving on. Most colleges are the same anyway. The southern university I attended was extremely conservative when I was there. But after the letting in the likes of Katie Couric, etc. ..., I understand it's a haven for the worst academia has to offer. A pity.


19 posted on 08/05/2004 9:35:32 AM PDT by twigs
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To: tpaine
tpaine wrote: And squid, -- what does his column have to do with "Crapweasels piling up negative brownie points"?

Oh for Cripes sake, the answer to your question is right there in the excerpt which you posted, to wit:

The European fixation with the upcoming election and rabid hatred of George Bush instead may backfire in the U.S.; indeed, even now European animus acerbates growing unease with what Americans read and see abroad.

20 posted on 08/05/2004 9:36:10 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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