Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Sixteen

Yahoo ^ | 8-02-04 | AP

[JustPiper]

Credit: The Cabal

The title refers to a daily report given to the president of the United States detailing the most serious terrorist threats against the country. To tackle those threats, the government has formed a top-notch task force to infiltrate the terror cells and cut off the danger.

"Every morning, the president receives a list of the top ten terrorist threats - this list is known as the threat matrix."

We here at FR are trying to be in conjunction with the daily reports around the world that involve threats. We try to provide a storehouse of information that takes hours of research.

YOU be the Judge and get informed.


"I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat."

Link to Thread Fifteen

Police Secure Businesses on Terror Alert
NEW YORK - Police searched trucks, blocked streets and posted machine-gun toting officers outside financial landmarks Monday, a day after the government's chilling warning that terrorists might target the buildings with bombs.

"God could not be everywhere and therefore he made mothers."
-- Jewish proverb

We are the "Stotters" who make ourselves aware of the
enemy who wishes to do us harm.




"What good are the color codes at all if we are suddenly hit with a bio or chem attack? There would be no warning and the danger would be instant."

"Code Red Implications
Code Red - Stay Home and Await Word."
by MamaDearest

Meet It!
Greet It!
Defeat It!

[ExSoldier]

the possibility of a nuke device on board a cargo plane into DFW? The main runways are N/S configured, so an approach in from the south would take you right over Arlington, about 10-12 miles out, average glide path height would put an aircraft at about 4500 ft (two bows height?)as it approached Arlington. What is the range of a nuke at 1 mile high? Dallas is 15 miles east and Fort Worth is 15 miles west.

HipShot? Suppose the nuke in question is a suitcase type. Is it designed to be used as a ground emplaced weapon? In other words, please apply the parameters above to the suitcase device. Would the damage be worse if the device was detonated while airborne and over or near the target or on the ground next to the prime target?

[HipShot]

Any nuclear weapon would be most effectively be deployed as an airburst, unless you're going for hard targets. "Little Boy" was detonated at approximately 1850'.

There's no reason to use a jetliner for that. A private plane or an ultralight would serve better.

[Right_Handed_Writer]

To use a private plane or U/L you would need to get the device into the country first. The MD-11 has an 8000+ mile range. That could fly from anywhere in the ME nonstop to most any US point.

[knak]

morning everybody! Last night I had a dream that this was the two bows:

22

Remember the two candlesticks and the cake thing that meant 9-11? Could "22" be "two bows"?

[ExSoldier]

A private plane or an ultralight would serve better.

Yah but that's also more of a security risk to them. Can you image a ME guy renting a Cessna near Houston Texas and stating he wants to go sightseeing but then lugs this heavy case out to the plane and calls it lunch?

How much does a suitcase nuke weigh? Could an ultralight aircraft even take off with that weight plus pilot weight? But a cargo plane with a guy on the inside, maybe not even ME (WND says they're importing talent from S. Africa and Chechnya) and the risk goes down....except for the radiation detectors.

[MamaDearest]

Highly contageous and lethal bacteria in Canada now has killed 189 people in hosptials and nursing homes:

Canadian Bug Fatal to 189

[HipShot]

Ok. There are no goblins here. There are no weapons of any type here. Our borders are closed, so lugging a 66 lb bag into the country couldn't happen, even as a test of our border security.

They'd hafta fly it in on an aircraft through shoot-down authorized air space.

[MamaDearest]

Conference Attendees Told Terrorists "Quite Normal"

[HipShot]

Approximately 66 lbs. No biggie.

Private planes are for sale everywhere. There are also plenty of private strips all over the country.

[ExSoldier]

I forgot their designed to be man portable and heck you're right about the private airstrips. My Father in Law lives on one where everybody has a hangar attached to their home. With an ultra light you don't even need a strip. An open field or county road will do fine. However, I'll bet a lot of "eyes" would be in the air over targets and one good set of binoculars would make that rig a hot lead magnet just in case. I remember in Travis McGee's book Enemies Foreign and Domestic a guy wanted to protest some actions of the government by dropping leaflets over D.C. from an ultralight. His son is piloting the aircraft. A sniper with a .50 takes him out.

[Selene]

Light airplane that left from Miami missing in Honduras

Wasn't "Jaffar the Pilot" spotted in Honduras?

[callmejoe]

The thought briefly crossed my mind not to post that it was vacant, but if they note each target with such detail, they would see simply driving down the street it is empty.

AQ supposedly had a presence in Houston for well over a decade (hopefully not after 9/11). One of the logistical support cells for the first WTC bombing came out of here I am told (Laurie Mylroie briefly mentioned the Houston connection in her first book on the 1993 WTC bombing). After NYC, we are supposedly (according to the paper) the most "diverse" city in the US (measured by the statistical probability that if you pick any resident at random, their neighbors on either side will be an ethnicity/nationality other than theirs).

It never made much national news, but an Arab man (who lived a few miles away) was detained after 9/11 because he had told a nearby rental car agent in mid-August 2001 to "watch the news" for something spectacular and that he was "getting his pilot's license" or something to that effect. Atta reportedly flew from LV to Houston on 8/14/01 where he had been for a day (leaving from FL 8/13) with the 9/11 pilots finalizing details. Somehow he got back to FL the next day to rent a car for a month.

I think (but am not sure) that the little fifth-grader who told his teacher "World War III begins tomorrow" was in Dallas. (Atta was thinking about flying a crop duster into the stadium at Arlington).

Plenty of TX connections.

[Right_Handed_Writer]

I'm just saying regularly scheduled cargo inbound, not trying to sneak a jumbo jet through airspace. Are we allowing direct cargo flights in from these loosely controlled points of origin in the ME, North Africa? Jihadi Jamal packed in the crate with a device, he hears the wheels drop on approach, hello allah!

And no, I don't doubt they already have weapons here already. But you can put a bigger device in a cargo container and ship it here "fresh."

[DAVEY CROCKETT]

I think could be wrong but airlines lease there planes. Some where out west there is a place that they store used planes. Wouldn't take much to steal and buy older planes.

[dan_s]

Are we allowing direct cargo flights in from these loosely controlled points of origin in the ME, North Africa?

I would say no. There are two major scheduled cargo routes; Asia-Europe and Asia-USA

Two typical air cargo routes would go like this:
Shanghai - Dubai (refuel) - Amsterdam
Shanghai - Anchorage (refuel) - Chicago

United Arab Emirates is a major cargo hub, but their security is high.

Chartered cargo on the other hand could operate from anywhere. A chartered 747 from somewhere in North Africa would raise some eyebrows. I hope...

[Donna Lee Nardo]

All I can say is that IH predates the terrorist hunting work of homelandsecurityus.com and homelandsecurityus.net as far as being organized to solely post translated messages and documents. It probably predates 7 Seas. It doesn't predate the work of some of the key players in all of these groups, some who we know have worked with terrorism throughout the '90s or longer.

The messages and materials are and have been obtained from the same sources on the web. Think about it.... Don't NEIN and Jill both post messages? Well, IH began this way right after 911.

And some individuals doing this work originally hailed from IH. Some also have contributed to NEIN and other groups while also contributing to IH. Not all posters crisscross -- please be clear on this -- but some. It can be a small world and there is nothing at all wrong with that. ;)

This stuff is out there to be found by hunters. Posts can be pulled at the discretion of the finder and LEO. I do not believe it happens often, but it happens. If a finder questions a public posting of material, that finder will hold it. That probably happens alot. I would say Laura has been a very conscientious and careful poster. But she has a special talent since she understands the messages more than others, being versed in both the Arabic culture and language -- 2 parts that complete the whole absolutely necessary in understanding jihadi materials. Arabic is no romance language. Perhaps Aramaic is as complex.

The bottom line is that the key players mentioned here know what's what from monitoring for so long. They can identify potential honeypots and even possible disinformation on the part of jihadis themselves.

[Donna Lee Nardo]

We also worry about our good friends in Chi-Town, too. Lots of stuff flowing on this thread about Ch-Town. Be careful, as always, you and our other Chicago-area TMers.

[Donna Lee Nardo]

BTW, how is usama doing? What are you feeding him these days? I know he was the Dem's real star speaker and you had him secreted back to your house from Boston last week. ;)

(Kidding!)

[Indie]

Good thinking but I think that is way too complex. They could move a nuke on the ground easier. Putting it in an airplane would require them to jump several more unnecessary hurdles, each w the possibility of discovery.

[Indie]

For their purposes, taking the large chance of discovery or logistical failure in order to achieve an airburst [more initial damage to people from the fireball, less by fallout] would be folly to achieve their aims when a groundburst would do quite nicely, thank you.

It would be the equivalent of a car bomber trying to choose a Cadillac rather than a Mercedes because it looks better...

This is way off track IMO.