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USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup: No boost for Kerry after convention [Bush/Cheney 50% Kerry/Edwards 46%]
August 1, 2004

Posted on 08/01/2004 11:58:36 AM PDT by ejdrapes

Poll: No boost for Kerry after convention USA Today


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: convention; danrathercrying; democratic; demorat; dnc; dncconvention; gallup; joy; jump; kerry; kerrybounce; kewl; no; poll; polls
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To: deport

No wonder half of balloons refused to come down. That did it!


81 posted on 08/01/2004 3:00:19 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (Vote the RATS out!!!)
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To: ejdrapes

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!


82 posted on 08/01/2004 3:04:39 PM PDT by Mister Blond
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To: chiller
Brad Carson of Oklahoma.

Brad was busy with a Primary Election during the Dem Convention.

But he WILL face Tom Coburn this fall, the price for US Senate in Oklahoma has just gone up!!!

83 posted on 08/01/2004 3:04:51 PM PDT by amigatec (There are no significant bugs in our software... Maybe you're not using it properly.- Bill Gates)
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To: lasereye
This is kind of stunning. I think Kerry must be coming across not so much as a liberal as an empty suit to people.

For those of use who know Kerry well, the best thing the Bushies can do, is keep Kerry on camera talking. His wife is an extra bonus for the Bushies.- tom

84 posted on 08/01/2004 3:12:27 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: Torie; deadhead; woodyinscc; Howlin; JohnHuang2
Check this out, Gallup is gonna keep polling until they get Kerry a bounce. LOL
85 posted on 08/01/2004 3:20:48 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Howlin
Even NC's governor didn't go.

When's the last time he even left the Governor's Mansion?

(Okay, okay, he's been out for a couple photo ops...)

86 posted on 08/01/2004 3:21:54 PM PDT by JohnnyZ
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To: jwalsh07
Well, they are worrying their poll is an outlier - safety in numbers and all that. I didn't expect much of any bounce for Kerry after his speech. I was so relieved frankly after listening to Kerry being Kerry, and being so hopelessly vague as he struggled to paper over his many previous iterations. He made all the wrong moves. But I did not anticipate a negative bounce, and am not persuaded it happened.

Odd as it may seem, the "blue collar" Christian social gun-toting no stem cells please conservative and the un-blue collar never used guns and never will I want stem cells agnostic neocon moderate are probably about the two firmest votes for Bush on this site. I want Bush to tank Kerry anyway he can. It appears that at least two pieces of the Bush coalition are firmly in tact. LOL.

87 posted on 08/01/2004 3:39:01 PM PDT by Torie
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To: deport; Howlin

My wild guess, is that assuming Bush gives one of his better speeches, he gets a 5% bounce after the GOP convention, and leads Kerry by 3% after the GOP convention, and then struggles to hold onto it, with the debates really being the key factor here (assuming events in Iraq and the economy stay reasonably on par). These debates are really more important than debates in other cycles, since so many voters have doubts about both men, and are cross conflicted. It is clear so far, that few of those cross conflicts have been resolved, and why should they until more information is available. JMO.


89 posted on 08/01/2004 3:54:05 PM PDT by Torie
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To: hershey
This is amazing considering all of the media spin and the positive things written about him.

This is from the Newsweek you mentioned, "To this day Kerry's crewmen, with one or two exceptions, seem to adore him."

90 posted on 08/01/2004 4:03:22 PM PDT by Atlantian
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To: ejdrapes
Terry McAwful must be prostrate with grief.
91 posted on 08/01/2004 4:05:18 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Free Brigitte Bardot.)
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To: Torie; Howlin
These debates are really more important than debates in other cycles, since so many voters have doubts about both men, and are cross conflicted.


Yes most definitely a different ball game this time around. I still think the outcome will depend upon whether Kerry can convince enough voters that he is CinC material... He's sucking hind teat on that one badly and I don't think he can win without major improvements in that area... Thus his big emphasis upon his military career, etc.

Some on this forum pooh pooh the idea of it being almost an evenly split vote and strongly factionalized. With as many polls showing it that way I have to think it's basically true... Either you like the candidate and support him strongly or you dislike him and oppose him strongly. The swing in this thing could come from the people that normally don't vote that often but see a need to express an opinion this time around.... Hopefully for Bush and the WOT issue.
92 posted on 08/01/2004 4:42:11 PM PDT by deport (Please Flush the Johns......)
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To: umgud

Yeah they're all in heavy denial mode at DU. Any negative news for their side and it's either a lie or the pollsters have been bought off by Karl Rove. What idiots.


93 posted on 08/01/2004 5:22:27 PM PDT by dandi
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To: Torie

"... debates are really more important than debates in other cycles,
since so many voters have doubts about both men, and are cross conflicted..."
- - -
The population is now nearly evenly divided between the
socialists and the non-socialists.

The percentage of people who claim to be "undecided" is
very small, and those people are either liars or imbeciles.
There is not enough of them to spend any resources on to
try to convert.

The election will not be about converting, it will be about
motivation. The ONLY thing that will matter in November
will be turnout. The win will go to the party that is able
to mobilize their supporters to actually get of their asses
and go to the polls.


94 posted on 08/01/2004 5:38:21 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: deport

"hoping for a pleasant and maybe unexpected surprise"

I am increasingly confident that this election will not be close. I finally figured out why. Here's why.

A major chunk of Kerry's base is people angry at Bush. They appear to pollsters as committed, because they are angry. But their anger is unreasoning and based largely on falsehoods. Take away the anger and they have no motivation particularly to stay with Kerry or to turn out to vote for him.

It may seem counter-intuitive, but people mostly don't like being angry, and will be more open to reasons to calm down than to reasons to switch candidates.

When people learn the truth, they will calm down...a lot. Some of course are beyond reason, but we only have to reach a modest percentage to turn this into a breakout.

I'm putting my faith in the Bush pro's that they understand this, and will work to defuse the anger, not with retaliatory bashing, per se, but with the truth of the matters at issue.

Working off the 911 Commission, the senate intel report, etc, as well as eroding Kerry's false-front by publicizing his Senate record, it will be eminently doable to put things back into a more realistic focus. When that happens, and some of the anger dissipates, Kerry is a goner.

He will try to fight back, of course, but with what? They've used all their lies, and the effect is wearing thin. Feeding anger and hate is Kerry's only hope, and it just won't last till November. GW's constancy and even temper speak more loudly every day, even as F-911 fades away, and the spew of anti-Bush books now begin to gather dust in the discount bins.

Pundits on both sides are saying that events will determine this election. I thought so too for awhile but I don't now, except to aid the President. As the anniversary of 9/11 approaches, on the heels of our convention, I can think of no event which has an upside for Kerry.

Consider, Bush can run by focussing on the real enemy, the terrorists, while Kerry has to run by trying to make Bush the enemy. How far can he get with that task? About where he is now--his high-water mark. It's all slippage and trying to shore up crumbling foundations for Kerry now.
Great closer, they say--but he isn't running against a moderate now, and this isn't Massachusetts.


And we have barely begun to fight. As Dennis Miller might say, The Republicans are going to bring their heavy artillery to bear--they're about to wheel out Dick Cheney!


95 posted on 08/01/2004 6:25:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Stallone

LOL


96 posted on 08/01/2004 6:53:36 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: umgud

FR management should drop its ban on links. These people are just so much fun to watch when they're having a bad hair day.


97 posted on 08/01/2004 6:57:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Precisely. We should spread the good news. hehehe


98 posted on 08/01/2004 6:58:31 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I go there for an uplifting experience.


99 posted on 08/01/2004 7:16:17 PM PDT by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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