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Are Terrorists Passing Messages Right Under Our Noses?
07/22/2004 | Greywolf

Posted on 07/22/2004 5:34:32 PM PDT by GreyWolf

I post this personal encounter to ascertain whether any other Freepers have had similar experiences or have heard of anyone observing such behavior as I describe below.

Last week, my wife and I were driving home from our place of employment in Central Maryland. We always take US 29 N to US 40 E to the outer suburbs of Baltimore. As we passed under the only enclosed footbridge on US 29 at Columbia, I noticed a female Asian or Middle Eastern person on the footbridge appearing to stare South at the traffic passing underneath her. She was not moving but ewas just kneeling there supposedly watching for something. It seemed out of place at the exact instant we passed under her but I quickly dismissed the encounter as merely curious.

As we continued north approximately 2-3 miles, we noticed a bicycle parked on the shoulder ahead. As we drew closer we saw an unmistakable ME type crouched down behind the guardrail also watching traffic approaching from the south. Now they have my attention! I made it a point to continue straight home and upon arrival called the Howard County non-emergency police number to report the observation. They seemed unusually interested asking for descriptions and whether I had seen any cameras or binoculars. After about 10-15 minutes of grilling they thanked me for the information and related that they were going to send a car to "check it out". I hung up feeling a little proud of myself for having done my civic duty and perhaps helping out in the WOT.

Today, exactly one week, almost to the minute, we were driving the same route. I did not notice the footbridge or whether anyone was stationed there but as we proceeded north about 1/2 mile beyond the bridge, the same ME male with the parked bicycle, this time was standing in the shoulder area of the highway except today he was signaling in a manner that I remember from my Navy days when the signalmen used to wig-wag converse with signalmen on other ships. I don't know who he was signaling. It could have been someone again on the footbridge or someone in a vehicle BUT HE WAS DEFINATELY SIGNALING someone.

Now my curiosity is peaked. I am a communications (and software) engineer working for a DoD contractor and I am aware that there are ears listening very closely to every corner of the rf spectrum. My question is this:

1. Are these people likely up to something underhanded and

2. Have they resorted to communicating via non-wired or non-transmitted means in order to avoid detection?


TOPICS: US: Maryland; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: communications; jihadinamerica; muslims; suspiciouspersons; suspicousactivity; terrorism
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To: koolaidsmile
you'd be freakin' if you are as xenophically suspicious as you seem. . I guess the imagination can run wild when one suffers from this kind of paranoia. Get some sleep.

History Test

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test. The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually happened!!! Do you remember?

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbitt
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzeneger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3.During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4.In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6.In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10.On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, .........I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

101 posted on 07/23/2004 6:05:37 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Virtue is learned at a mother's knee...and vices at other joints.)
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To: SuziQ

Veni, Vidi, Visa: I came, I saw, I shopped.


102 posted on 07/23/2004 6:12:39 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: GreyWolf

"Are Terrorists Passing Messages Right Under Our Noses?"

Need to recruit teachers.........whack on the hand for passing notes!


103 posted on 07/23/2004 7:43:02 AM PDT by Smartaleck (Wonder if Jackie has whine with his cheese?)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Why are you hesitant to report this?

I'm just observing what's going on and I guess I just didn't want to cause grief in these people's life because of my fears and some sense of paranoia. That's why I'm sharing this here to gain a better perspective. I will report what I've seen.

104 posted on 07/23/2004 8:41:49 AM PDT by swheats
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To: 7.62 x 51mm; All

ISLAM MAY BECOME THE
GREATEST MURDERING FORCE
IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND

Islam has replaced the Soviet Union as the Evil Empire
and its "best days" may lie ahead as the forces of Islam gather steam!!!

First the Saturday People... (click link)

The Muslims have a saying: "First [destroy] the Saturday People (Jews)... then the Sunday People (Christians)."  And when the Muslims tire of killing or converting non-Muslims, they go after other Muslims!  The ten-year Iran-Iraq War resulting in  the deaths of over one million deserving Muslims was said to have been fought over a land dispute.  This is not entirely true for the underlying hatred between two conflicting views of Islam was the major spark that ignited this conflict.  

Arabs and Islam:  Plotting Against the West!Most of the so-called "moderate" Arab nations are scared to death of radical Islamic movements for they represent a most real physical threat to their continued absolute rule.  For that reason alone, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait and all the other fictitious kingdoms throughout the Middle East gladly pay cash AND lip service to the most vicious of the Arab, Palestinian and Islamic Fundamentalist terrorists. The United States government, the State Department and other apologists may call them "friends" and "allies" but, in reality, they have nothing whatsoever in common with America.  They are theocratic, backward and share NONE of the democratic traditions so valued in the West. "Friends" and "allies?" Hardly!

ATTAINING "CRITICAL MASS"
Among every four humans in the world, one of them is Muslim.
Islam is now the second largest religious group in France, Great Britain and USA!

There is no point in beating around the bush. The fact is that Islam is a militant, intolerant, incendiary religion whose adherents, whenever they establish "critical mass" of about 10 percent of a given population, begin to foment violence, revolt and Jihad --- in essence, a declaration of war on Western Civilization. A World War Three!

Battleground Europe...
by 2020 Muslims will account for 10% of the overall population of Europe

Don't think that Islamic activity is confined only to the Third World. Today, Muslims invade civilized countries under the benign guise of immigration. Their influence in Europe is growing steadily and will continue to do so unopposed until the Europeans finally wake up, although it's hard to tell if they can do it in time to save themselves. In fact, immigration accounted for 89 percent of Europe’s population growth during the 1990s!  When Christian society was mighty, Muslim society was timid. Western Christian countries have lost their fervor. Many have acquired Muslim fifth columns, which they tolerate regardless of insults to the host countries. But now the Europeans are starting to panic. Their women cannot possibly reproduce as quickly as can fertile Muslim women!  In thirty years the Muslim population of Great Britain rose from 82,000 to two million.... a 25-fold increase... nearly one-half million Muslims in London alone!  This Islamic invasion is obviated by the sight of over one thousand mosques littering the British landscape.  Even London itself has become a main launching pad for much of the pro-Islamic, pro-Arab and pro-Palestinian Internet propaganda!  Over the past 20 years, say experts, Britain has become a headquarters for extremist Muslim clerics and a fertile recruitment ground for new followers. 

In 30 years the Muslim population of Great Britain rose from 82,000 to two million.


Finsbury Park Mosque in North London, a Base for Islamic Extremism

Muslims in Britain have made it clear that they have no intention of assimilating. Dr. Zaki Badwari, former Director of the Islamic Cultural Centre of London wrote, "A proselytizing religion [like Islam] cannot stand still. Islam endeavors to expand in Britain. It aims at bringing its message to all corners of the earth. It hopes that one day the whole of humanity will be one Muslim community, the Umma."  Britain operates as a strategic base for some of the most radical Islamic groups which preach hatred, incite to violence and recruit volunteers for terrorist activities. Britain now has one of the highest concentrations of closed-circuit TV cameras in Europe... nearly 1.5 million in operation! In late May 2001 the Brits were treated to their very own Muslim-Pakistani rioting!  There is something deservedly humorous that this should happen to the pro-Muslim Brits who waste no time dumping on Israel!  God Save the Queen!  For more on Radical Islam In the U.K. click HERE. To see a partial list of Islamic Groups infesting England click HERE. Click  HERE for more on how Muslims are transforming British society!

Two of Europe's most legally tolerant regions...namely, the Dutch-language areas around Europe's most important west coast harbors, Antwerp [Belgium] and Rotterdam [Netherlands]... as the main breeding ground for Muslim-fundamentalist terrorist groups. Osama bin Laden 's organization even runs shipping companies as fronts from Amsterdam.

Something rotten in Denmark? How about the 200,000 Muslim immigrants trying to dictate their anti-Israel, anti-America and anti-Western values upon 5 million Danes? Even though they represent only 4% of the population, the Muslims consume upwards of 40 percent of welfare spending. They also account for 65-75% of the country's convicted rapists... with almost all victims non-Muslim Danes! Demographers have predicted that in just 40 years, one out of every three Danes will be Muslim. At this point, we're sure the Danes wish it were their Jewish population which was growing faster than rabbits on a hot tin roof. Jews are almost always model citizens! But the Danish Jews only number 6,000.

Dateline Sweden: Cold temperatures have not discouraged Muslim immigration. One out of every 22 Swede are now Muslims and Islam is the nation's second largest religion. Of the nearly 9 million people in Sweden, 400,000 are Muslim, leading to a drastic increase in anti-Semitic acts against Sweden's 18,000 Jews. Say farewell to the stereotypical blue-eyed, blonde haired Swede. 

In Holland [aka The Netherlands], because of its total lack of anti-terrorism laws and its very high level of religious, cultural and judicial tolerance, Muslim-fundamentalist terrorist groups are allowed to thrive. The Muslims now number about 6% of the population. In 20 years' time the majority of Holland's under 18 year old children will be Muslim. In fact, 50 per cent of the newborns during the next twenty years will be Muslim! A finger in the dike won't work this time, folks! 

Two million Muslims have soaked into Germany; one million into Italy; 200,000 in Spain; 500,000 in Belgium...1/10th its entire population and 1/4 of Brussels, its capitol city. Half of all babies born in Belgium are now Muslims!  In total, 11,000,000 Muslims have saturated Western Europe! It now becomes clear just who is organizing and marching in Europe's anti-Israel and anti-American demonstrations! 

In Italy, 95% of all rapists are Muslims. Eighty-five percent of all murderers are Muslims. Ah, such a wonderful religion of peace! What does the Pope and the rest of the Vatican Church have to say about this? Nothing! And what will the ordinary Italian say when, in ten years, Muslims will be the majority in Italy!!!

France is faring no better. In 1945, there were 100,000 Muslims in France. A fifty fold increase since then now has them numbering  6 million out of a total population of 60 million!  In twenty years, one out of every five Frenchmen will be a Muslim! Another telling statistic is that although the Muslims are 10% of France's population, 60% of the country's prison population are Muslims! All the urban suburbs are steered by Moslem black African or Arabic gangs. One-fifth of all births in France are Muslims!  Mohammed is one of the most common names next to Pierre!  And Paris has the largest Arab community outside of the Middle East! This is a result of a lenient immigration policy, high Muslim birthrate and conversions. A very high proportion of French Muslims are in the underclass, that segment of the population that relies not so much on education and work as on welfare and predatory activities. In fact, over one thousand Muslim neighborhoods are under monitoring throughout France. Seven hundred of those Muslim neighborhoods are listed as "violent" and nearly 400 hundred are listed as "very violent." Violence ranges from rape (95% of rapists are Muslim), murder (85% of murderers are Muslim), theft and looting of cars (58% committed by Muslims) and street fighting to assault on teachers and civil servants. Periodic outbursts of large-scale unrest or rioting sometimes occur. And, most distressing, are the high numbers of assaults or rebellions against the police. As does England, one thousand mosques are said to operate in France. Oh, mon dieu, what is a Frenchman to do! Click HERE for an audio of what Frenchmen (and all other cowardly, appeasing Europeans) should do because "Buddies, you're next!" Also, check out "The Death of France."

There are 14 to 17 million Muslims now live within the European Union. If only a minuscule fraction of the growing Muslim fundamentalist population of Europe were to join bin Laden's holy warriors (or some of the many Arab/Muslim/Islamic terrorist groups), internal-security officers would confront nightmare scenarios! 

For more on "Islam's Immigrant Invasion of Europe" and sources of the above information, click HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE

ISLAM: "Religion of Peace?"

105 posted on 07/23/2004 8:44:32 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: eyespysomething

Billy Graham is not a favorite in Baghdad.


106 posted on 07/23/2004 8:47:28 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: GreyWolf

Report this to a higher dept than local police ASAP.

The higher it is reported the political correctness,
of fear to DARE stop these people for questioning,
MAY go AWAY, somewhat.


107 posted on 07/23/2004 9:04:10 AM PDT by Gazoo
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To: GreyWolf
Did you try to report this online here
108 posted on 07/23/2004 9:12:12 AM PDT by Gazoo
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To: eyespysomething
History Test Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test. The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually happened!!! Do you remember?

.."I noticed a female Asian or Middle Eastern person"

E) Asian Women?

You ain't from 'round here are you? If your going to be suspicious and call in every "For'ner" you see standing on the side of the road thinking they are terrorists than it's is true, You are indeed a paranoid xenophobe. If the cops were interested, it might be because a few months back we had people throwing rocks at cars from the overpasses in that area (Muslim men 17-40 no doubt). Alot of Art Bell fans out there see UFOs all the time. Maybe it's because they are obsessed with them and as a result their imagination gets the best of them. They might be right but I wouldn't bet on it. Like UFOs, I also doubt the existence of an "Al Queda Asian Women's Bicycle Semaphore Battalion" on Rt 29. It's funny really. But as they say, "You go girl".

109 posted on 07/23/2004 10:18:22 AM PDT by koolaidsmile (Chirac! You are no longer welcome in the U.S.)
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To: GreyWolf

As a civil engineer for over 40 years, I can think of dozens of relatively simple ways to cause major long-lasting chaos over a wide area with coordinated attacks. I won't list them for obvious reasons, but taking out hundreds of bridges and overcrossings in a large metropolitan area is definitely one of them. And "Law enforcement" acts oblivious to it.


110 posted on 07/23/2004 10:29:14 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either.)
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To: eyespysomething
The events are actual cuts from past history.

As opposed to what? Future history? Imaginary history?
When you are attempting to be ponderously serious, redundacy is a fatal disease.

111 posted on 07/23/2004 10:33:12 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either.)
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To: koolaidsmile

By "Asian", I was making a feeble effort not to reveal my age by refering to the female as "Oriental" since a Chinese friend gently reminded me a few weeks ago that they preferred to be called Asian. Also, I cannot be certain that there was a connection between her and the ME male, but they were both in relatively close proximity to each other and both were IMHO acting strangly. Now I am fully aware that acting strangly is perfectly legal and I am sure that there are occasions when I may seem to acting strangly myself but I keep remembering that the 19 (14 Saudi males between 19 and 40) were not suspects prior to 09/11/2001 @ 08:45.


112 posted on 07/23/2004 10:40:08 AM PDT by GreyWolf (My $.02)
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To: Publius6961
"...but taking out hundreds of bridges and overcrossings in a large metropolitan area is definitely one of them."

As a civil engineer, do you really believe this would be "relatively simple" ?

Even if we contracted this job out to the top demo crews in the country it would a very tough task. Blowing up a bridge, let alone "hundreds" of them isn't quite that easy. Especially if you are trying to do it covertly. I do agree taking out maybe one bridge like the Wilson Bridge or the Golden Gate would cause probs for a while and we should be aware of this, but when you see a girl on a foot bridge in Columbia Md. looking at the cars and somehow assume she's Al Queda on a mission is quite a leap. This is a VERY populated area.

113 posted on 07/23/2004 10:53:29 AM PDT by koolaidsmile (Chirac! You are no longer welcome in the U.S.)
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To: Ping


114 posted on 07/23/2004 10:55:33 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought."-Pope JPII)
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To: GreyWolf; Admin Moderator; All
I don't think you all should be posting details regarding reporting suspicious activities to law enforcement. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the local police and/or FBI want to keep an eye on these people? Now you may be giving terrorists a heads up that people are on to them.....and they could move on to plan 'B'! Don't be so 'proud' of yourselves for reporting something that your efforts go by the wayside!

I think this thread should be deleted.

115 posted on 07/23/2004 10:57:55 AM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: GreyWolf

I have a friend who is Hawaiian. He is an American. He gets called Asian all the time. But he is an American. I know many Latin Americans from many countries some have almost Asian features, but they are not. They are Peruvians, Hondurans etc. I know a friend who is an Israeli with dark skin, Definitley might look like an Arab to some, But he's not. He is Jewish. But he is an "ME type". Especially at 55 mph (I'm sure you don't speed on rt 29 ;-) )Richard Reed the "shoe bomber" was white. So was Johnny "Taliban" Walker. So is the kid on the recently released "wanted list". Jose Padilla was an Hispanic American. So how can you tell a terrorist by a glance? I do appreciate you being vigilant, however I think your just a bit carried away with all this.


116 posted on 07/23/2004 11:15:28 AM PDT by koolaidsmile (Chirac! You are no longer welcome in the U.S.)
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To: Born in a Rage
Now you may be giving terrorists a heads up that people are on to them.....and they could move on to plan 'B'!"

Yes I'm sure "PLAN A" is doing semaphore on bikes out on Rt 29 during rush hour. What would "PLAN B" consist of, Indian smoke signals on the B/W Parkway? I think we're gonna be OK.

117 posted on 07/23/2004 12:00:33 PM PDT by koolaidsmile (Chirac! You are no longer welcome in the U.S.)
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To: jwpjr
It's a pain in the butt sometimes, but this sort of violence by millions of ordinary Americans could easily spell the difference between being safe and suffering more attacks.

Now, now, it hasn't come to that....yet. ;-)

(I know you meant "vigilance", but I couldn't pass that up ;-)

118 posted on 07/23/2004 12:33:12 PM PDT by StriperSniper ("Ronald Reagan, the Founding Father of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy." - Mark Levin 6/8/04)
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To: GreyWolf

You shouldn't have bothered with the police. You should contact the FBI. They say to report "anything suspicious or out of the ordinary" to them. If it turns out to be nothing, sobeit. But at least you contacted the FBI.


119 posted on 07/23/2004 12:40:53 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: kyguy

KY,
First of all a gun bullet will do almost no damage to an aircraft structurally or otherwise even at 40,000 feet this is an urban myth. There will be a loss of cabin pressure that will cause your ears to pop but for the most part nothing serious will happen.

If you did not read my second reply loitering on an Interstate overpass is not legal, nor is it legal to loiter along highways.

So if these guys are willing to break the law they must have a motive. Furthermore we are at war or should I say they are at war. They're greatest desire in the world is to kill you. If it pleases you to accomodate them by worrying about how much we are becoming like the Warsaw Pact countries then so be it. However having been to former USSR countries I would like to opine that we are so increadible far away from being anything like that, that you suggestions are just a little bit silly.

Now I can't imagine that northern KY is as high up on the list of possible targets as let's say the Pentagon, the White House, the Capital or any of the Monuments, but you are still on the list and they would like you to convert to Islam or die. If highway watching is a regular pastime in your local then maybe it is kinda crimping your lifestyle for the common defense and I am sorry about that, but lately in the past few years (and this goes back long before 9/11) we have had to deal with same wierd, odd and often dangerous characters around here. Heck people are still just getting over the DC sniper.

Now if you are going off the deep end thinking that I want to shackle people to their aircraft seats or set up check point at every mile post I would have to say that maybe you are letting your personal fears of "Gubment" people get the best of you. The truth is they do lot more to keep you safe than you can imagine and the danger is growing. I for one think it best to help them.

Kindest Regards,
Boiler Plate


120 posted on 07/23/2004 12:56:36 PM PDT by Boiler Plate
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