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Posted on 07/18/2004 6:57:48 PM PDT by JustPiper
Picture credit: TheCabal
"I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat"
CIA: 9/11 Plotters Transited Iran, Govt Tie Unseen
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - About eight of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers passed through Iran before attacking the United States, but there is no sign of official Iranian complicity, the CIA (news - web sites)'s acting director said on Sunday.
We are the "Stotters" who make ourselves aware of the enemy who wishes to do us harm
Meet It!
Greet It!
Defeat It!
they are harsh hey?
Nerdling:
posted on 21-7-2004 at 12:05 PM Post Number: 677680 (post id: 698374)
What you have to understand is that this is not NEINS find.
Last night i was sent this image by people from freep. They found it and subsequently passed it to NEIN who are branding it as their own.
Personally, i think its fake.
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Subsequently, NEIN has removed the story from their site.
phreak_of_nature
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Nerdling.. you're right. It was a definite fake.
take a close look for yourself. Sorry for the delay in pointing this out. I was waiting for NEIN to incriminate themselves a little more.
Andreas Wacker probably faked it to promote his art site.
muppet
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I see exactly what you mean muppet, well done.
I found it on freerepublic then someone emailed it to me, it seems the guy from freep sent it to NEIN too probably hoping for a source.
You know, they'll probably run it as their own in their HQ Intel Alert anyway.
Great work muppet!
Nerdling
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I did some fishing around much later last night UK time (about 5 am ish!) and followed up the some of the code searches people were doing. If it was a false flag, I wanted to see just how deep NEIN went in backing it up, so I posted what I'd figured out about the "art" site.
Once I read that NEIN took it down though, and Nerdling had mentioned the real source, I though it safe to post the truth about the screenshot.
EDIT : to clarify, I first saw it in this thread, pretty much as soon as it was first posted.
muppet
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I posted the original ATSNN article as soon as I saw this last night, which would have been 0644 GMT. So you were right on it. I checked NEIN again in the morning and they were still running it. After it had received some discussion here, and nerdling's revelation that they did not originally discover it, it quickly disappeared.
Too bad. They have lost a lot of the credibility they carried in my mind.
phreak_of_nature
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All in all a pretty good team effort I think. Hoaxers must really hate ATS/ATSNN !! Good work everyone, and thanks to Simon and the rest of the admin for creating a place where this is possible.
muppet
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These were comments before your response/ Why do they have it in for NEIN?
RE: 4501 at clipgate
Now I get "Longbeach Airport"
Enter the number several times. After the first few times, the pictures change...
http://www.twexus.com/?f=cap&ino=276001-ZLGWY&tit=4501&text=4501
I see one of links is the same link twice.
If you post these over there then I think it would help them also. Just because one person gets it all wrong does not make everyone in the group bad. We have had our wrong posts as well.
I don't have an account there. Could you also post them these links:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173907/posts?page=1085#1085
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173907/posts?page=1133#1133
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173907/posts?page=1538#1538
Thank you Jill.
I think the owner of the site has responded
Of course I admit that a few other made some idiotic comments as well. It is good to set them straight.
KERRY Anti-Terror Plan Removed From Campaign Web Site After Berger ...
GOPUSA - Pearland,TX,USA
... presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) removed its anti-terror plan from its web site. Republicans have suggested that ...
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/july/0722_berger_kerry_website.shtml
TERROR threat anger as security plans mislaid
ic Berkshire.co.uk - Reading,England,UK
By Charles Watts. LEADING community figures have criticised the Metropolitan Police following the discovery of top secret counter ...
http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/sloughandwindsor/tm_objectid=14452124&method=full&siteid=50102&headline=terror-threat-anger-as-security-plans-mislaid-name_page.html
TERROR SUCCESS 'UNLIKELY'
Sky News - UK
A terrorist attack on a nuclear power plant in Britain would be extremely difficult, says a report. The study, by the Parliamentary ...
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13163919,00.html
Or in the tissue or paper towel dispenser! Also, who would trust using the liquid soap in those bathrooms when any colorless liquid could be added and a bio-weapon could be spread through their use.....for that matter, at any public restroom. I suggest always carrying a mini-bottle of hand sanitizer.
Bump you little bag of info you -g- thanks and hugs
Updated:
MamaDearest- mysterious illnesses etc
Kinetic- nuke, chem spills, hazmat, refineries etc.
DrymansWife- Planes, Trains,Buses transit etc
liberallyconservative- ports and also hostages/country's reactions
I agree Jill. They are still discussing who came up
with it instead of discussing what it means. They say
they say over here, I wish they would bop buy for a
chat.
This is why Cindy said those very kind words about Andreas Wacker last night or today!
I am sorry Rushmore I somehow missed were they are.
SOUNDS LIKE WISDOM TO ME.
Well I did find the item linked below, but what I remember about the blackout is that some time beforehand, some part of Al Qaeda did claim they would do something that was a "gift to the Iraqi people" and then after the blackout claimed responsibility and said that it was "for the Iraqi people".
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/13/officials_group_tying_self_to_blasts_may_not_be_real/
The group has apparently been widely discredited by the media but I'm not willing to write them off yet.
Well, that's possible.
I don't believe I have seen this specific set of
photos before.
The very last photos I have seen are dated in 2002
in the urls.
I was watching the report tonight and they said the note on the Amtrak train said "you are all sitting ducks". To me, it sounds like a warning of what's to come.
It's like pornography, you may not be able to define it, but you'll know it when you see it...
We trust you will be your usual careful and alert self, freeperfromnj.
Yes, sorry, I just finished searching out the information, writing up the findings and sending it up.
Silvio [Berlusconi] is the one that made Twexus. I assumed the Pope originally from a knee jerk reaction to seeing Italy.
What an interesting thread. Thanks for posting that.
http://www.fema.gov/areyouready/
National Security Emergencies Preparing for terrorism Chemical and Biological Weapons
In case of a chemical or biological weapon attack near you, authorities will instruct you on the best course of action. This may be to evacuate the area immediately, to seek shelter at a designated location, or to take immediate shelter where you are and seal the premises. The best way to protect yourself is to take emergency preparedness measures ahead of time and to get medical attention as soon as possible, if needed.
Chemical Chemical warfare agents are poisonous vapors, aerosols, liquids or solids that have toxic effects on people, animals or plants. They can be released by bombs, sprayed from aircraft, boats, or vehicles, or used as a liquid to create a hazard to people and the environment. Some chemical agents may be odorless and tasteless. They can have an immediate effect (a few seconds to a few minutes) or a delayed effect (several hours to several days). While potentially lethal, chemical agents are difficult to deliver in lethal concentrations.
Outdoors, the agents often dissipate rapidly. Chemical agents are also difficult to produce. There are six types of agents: Lung-damaging (pulmonary) agents such as phosgene, Cyanide, Vesicants or blister agents such as mustard, Nerve agents such as GA (tabun), GB (sarin), GD (soman), GF, and VX, Incapacitating agents such as BZ, and Riot-control agents (similar to MACE).
Biological Biological agents are organisms or toxins that can kill or incapacitate people, livestock and crops. The three basic groups of biological agents which would likely be used as weapons are bacteria, viruses, and toxins. 1. Bacteria. Bacteria are small free-living organisms that reproduce by simple division and are easy to grow. The diseases they produce often respond to treatment with antibiotics. 2. Viruses. Viruses are organisms which require living cells in which to reproduce and are intimately dependent upon the body they infect. Viruses produce diseases which generally do not respond to antibiotics. However, antiviral drugs are sometimes effective. 3. Toxins. Toxins are poisonous substances found in, and extracted from, living plants, animals, or microorganisms; some toxins can be produced or altered by chemical means. Some toxins can be treated with specific antitoxins and selected drugs. Most biological agents are difficult to grow and maintain. Many break down quickly when exposed to sunlight and other environmental factors, while others such as anthrax spores are very long lived. They can be dispersed by spraying them in the air, or infecting animals which carry the disease to humans as well through food and water contamination. AerosolsBiological agents are dispersed into the air, forming a fine mist that may drift for miles. Inhaling the agent may cause disease in people or animals. AnimalsSome diseases are spread by insects and animals, such as fleas, mice, flies, and mosquitoes. Deliberately spreading diseases through livestock is also referred to as agroterrorism. Food and water contaminationSome pathogenic organisms and toxins may persist in food and water supplies. Most Microbes can be killed, and toxins deactivated, by cooking food and boiling water. Anthrax spores formulated as a white powder were mailed to individuals in the government and media in the fall of 2001. Postal sorting machines and the opening of letters dispersed the spores as aerosols. Several deaths resulted. The effect was to disrupt mail service and to cause a widespread fear of handling delivered mail among the public. Person-to-person spread of a few infectious agents is also possible. Humans have been the source of infection for smallpox, plague, and the Lassa viruses.
What to do during a chemical or biological attack 1. Listen to your radio for instructions from authorities such as whether to remain inside or to evacuate. 2. If you are instructed to remain in your home, the building where you are, or other shelter during a chemical or biological attack: Turn off all ventilation, including furnaces, air conditioners, vents and fans. Seek shelter in an internal room, preferably one without windows. Seal the room with duct tape and plastic sheeting. Ten square feet of floor space per person will provide sufficient air to prevent carbon dioxide build-up for up to five hours. Remain in protected areas where toxic vapors are reduced or eliminated, and be sure to take your battery-operated radio with you. 3. If you are caught in an unprotected area, you should: Attempt to get up-wind of the contaminated area. Attempt to find shelter as quickly as possible. Listen to your radio for official instructions.
What to do after a chemical attack Immediate symptoms of exposure to chemical agents may include blurred vision, eye irritation, difficulty breathing and nausea. A person affected by a chemical or biological agent requires immediate attention by professional medical personnel. If medical help is not immediately available, decontaminate yourself and assist in decontaminating others. Decontamination is needed within minutes of exposure to minimize health consequences. (However, you should not leave the safety of a shelter to go outdoors to help others until authorities announce it is safe to do so.) 1. Use extreme caution when helping others who have been exposed to chemical agents: Remove all clothing and other items in contact with the body. Contaminated clothing normally removed over the head should be cut off to avoid contact with the eyes, nose, and mouth. Put into a plastic bag if possible. Decontaminate hands using soap and water. Remove eyeglasses or contact lenses. Put glasses in a pan of household bleach to decontaminate. 2. Remove all items in contact with the body. 3. Flush eyes with lots of water. 4. Gently wash face and hair with soap and water; then thoroughly rinse with water. 5. Decontaminate other body areas likely to have been contaminated. Blot (do not swab or scrape) with a cloth soaked in soapy water and rinse with clear water. 6. Change into uncontaminated clothes. Clothing stored in drawers or closets is likely to be uncontaminated. 7. If possible, proceed to a medical facility for screening.
What to do after a biological attack In many biological attacks, people will not know they have been exposed to an agent. In such situations, the first evidence of an attack may be when you notice symptoms of the disease caused by an agent exposure, and you should seek immediate medical attention for treatment. In some situations, like the anthrax letters sent in 2001, people may be alerted to a potential exposure. If this is the case, pay close attention to all official warnings and instructions on how to proceed. The delivery of medical services for a biological event may be handled differently to respond to increased demand. Again, it will be important for you to pay attention to official instructions via radio, television, and emergency alert systems. If your skin or clothing comes in contact with a visible, potentially infectious substance, you should remove and bag your clothes and personal items and wash yourself with warm soapy water immediately. Put on clean clothes and seek medical assistance. For more information, visit the website for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, www.bt.cdc.gov.
Nuclear and Radiological Attack Nuclear explosions can cause deadly effectsblinding light, intense heat (thermal radiation), initial nuclear radiation, blast, fires started by the heat pulse, and secondary fires caused by the destruction. They also produce radioactive particles called fallout that can be carried by wind for hundreds of miles. Terrorist use of a radiological dispersion device (RDD)often called dirty nuke or dirty bombis considered far more likely than use of a nuclear device. These radiological weapons are a combination of onventional explosives and radioactive material designed to scatter dangerous and sub-lethal amounts of radioactive material over a general area. Such radiological weapons appeal to terrorists because they require very little technical knowledge to build and deploy compared to that of a nuclear device. Also, these radioactive materials, used widely in medicine, agriculture, industry and research, are much more readily available and easy to obtain compared to weapons grade uranium or plutonium.
Terrorist use of a nuclear device would probably be limited to a single smaller suitcase weapon. The strength of such a weapon would be in the range of the bombs used during World War II. The nature of the effects would be the same as a weapon delivered by an inter-continental missile, but the area and severity of the effects would be significantly more limited. There is no way of knowing how much warning time there would be before an attack by a terrorist using a nuclear or radiological weapon. A surprise attack remains a possibility. The danger of a massive strategic nuclear attack on the United States involving many weapons receded with the end of the Cold War. However, some terrorists have been supported by nations that have nuclear weapons programs. If there were threat of an attack from a hostile nation, people living near potential targets could be advised to evacuate or they could decide on their own to evacuate to an area not considered a likely target. Protection from radioactive fallout would require taking shelter in an underground area, or in the middle of a large building
Taking shelter during a nuclear attack is absolutely necessary. There are two kinds of sheltersblast and fallout.
Blast shelters offer some protection against blast pressure, initial radiation, heat and fire, but even a blast shelter could not withstand a direct hit from a nuclear detonation.
Fallout shelters do not need to be specially constructed for that purpose. They can be any protected space, provided that the walls and roof are thick and dense enough to absorb the radiation given off by fallout particles. The three protective factors of a fallout shelter are shielding, distance, and time. Shielding. The more heavy, dense materialsthick walls, concrete, bricks, books and earthbetween you and the fallout particles, the better. Distance. The more distance between you and the fallout particles, the better. An underground area, such as a home or office building basement, offers more protection than the first floor of a building. A floor near the middle of a high-rise may be better, depending on what is nearby at that level on which significant fallout particles would collect. Flat roofs collect fallout particles so the top floor is not a good choice, nor is a floor adjacent to a neighboring flat roof. Time. Fallout radiation loses its intensity fairly rapidly. In time, you will be able to leave the fallout shelter. Radioactive fallout poses the greatest threat to people during the first two weeks, by which time it has declined to about 1% of its initial radiation level. Remember that any protection, however temporary, is better than none at all, and the more shielding, distance and time you can take advantage of, the better.
Electromagnetic pulse In addition to other effects, a nuclear weapon detonated in or above the earths atmosphere can create an electromagnetic pulse (EMP), a high-density electrical field. EMP acts like a stroke of lightning but is stronger, faster and briefer. EMP can seriously damage electronic devices connected to power sources or antennas. This includes communication systems, computers, electrical appliances, and automobile or aircraft ignition systems. The damage could range from a minor interruption to actual burnout of components. Most electronic equipment within 1,000 miles of a high-altitude nuclear detonation could be affected. Battery powered radios with short antennas generally would not be affected. Although EMP is unlikely to harm most people, it could harm those with pacemakers or other implanted electronic devices.
What to do before a nuclear or radiological attack 1. Learn the warning signals and all sources of warning used in your community. Make sure you know what the signals are, what they mean, how they will be used, and what you should do if you hear them. 2. Assemble and maintain a disaster supply kit with food, water, medications, fuel and personal items adequate for up to 2 weeksthe more the better. 3. Find out what public buildings in your community may have been designated as fallout shelters. It may have been years ago, but start there, and learn which buildings are still in use and could be designated as shelters again. Call your local emergency management office. Look for yellow and black fallout shelter signs on public buildings. Note: With the end of the Cold War, many of the signs have been removed from the buildings previously designated. If no noticeable or official designations have been made, make your own list of potential shelters near your home, workplace and school: basements, or the windowless center area of middle floors in high-rise buildings, as well as subways and tunnels. Give your household clear instructions about where fallout shelters are located and what actions to take in case of attack. 4. If you live in an apartment building or high-rise, talk to the manager about the safest place in the building for sheltering, and about providing for building occupants until it is safe to go out. 5. There are few public shelters in many suburban and rural areas. If you are considering building a fallout shelter at home, keep the following in mind. A basement, or any underground area, is the best place to shelter from fallout. Often, few major changes are needed, especially if the structure has two or more stories and its basement or one corner of itis below ground. Fallout shelters can be used for storage during non-emergency periods, but only store things there that can be very quickly removed. (When they are removed, dense, heavy items may be used to add to the shielding.) All the items you will need for your stay need not be stocked inside the shelter itself but can be stored elsewhere, as long as you can move them quickly to the shelter. 6. Learn about your communitys evacuation plans. Such plans may include evacuation routes, relocation sites, how the public will be notified and transportation options for people who do not own cars and those who have special needs. See the Evacuation chapter for more information. 7. Acquire other emergency preparedness booklets that you may need. See the For More Information chapter at the end of this guide.
What to do during a nuclear or radiological attack 1. Do not look at the flash or fireballit can blind you. 2. If you hear an attack warning: Take cover as quickly as you can, BELOW GROUND IF POSSIBLE, and stay there unless instructed to do otherwise. If you are caught outside, unable to get inside immediately, take cover behind anything that might offer protection. Lie flat on the ground and cover your head. If the explosion is some distance away, it could take 30 seconds or more for the blast wave to hit. 3. Protect yourself from radioactive fallout. If you are close enough to see the brilliant flash of a nuclear explosion, the fallout will arrive in about 20 minutes. Take shelter, even if you are many miles from ground zeroradioactive fallout can be carried by the winds for hundreds of miles. Remember the three protective factors: shielding, distance and time. 4. Keep a battery-powered radio with you, and listen for official information. Follow the instructions given. Local instructions should always take precedence: officials on the ground know the local situation best.
What to do after a nuclear or radiological attack In a public or home shelter: 1. Do not leave the shelter until officials say it is safe. Follow their instructions when leaving. 2. If in a fallout shelter, stay in your shelter until local authorities tell you it is permissible or advisable to leave. The length of your stay can range from a day or two to four weeks. Contamination from a radiological dispersion device could affect a wide area, depending on the amount of conventional explosives used, the quantity of radioactive material and atmospheric conditions. A suitcase terrorist nuclear device detonated at or near ground level would produce heavy fallout from the dirt and debris sucked up into the mushroom cloud. A missile-delivered nuclear weapon from a hostile nation would probably cause an explosion many times more powerful than a suitcase bomb, and provide a greater cloud of radioactive fallout. The decay rate of the radioactive fallout would be the same, making it necessary for those in the areas with highest radiation levels to remain in shelter for up to a month. The heaviest fallout would be limited to the area at or downwind from the explosion, and 80% of the fallout would occur during the first 24 hours. Because of these facts and the very limited number of weapons terrorists could detonate, most of the country would not be affected by fallout. People in most of the areas that would be affected could be allowed to come out of shelter and, if necessary, evacuate to unaffected areas within a few days. 3. Although it may be difficult, make every effort to maintain sanitary conditions in your shelter space. 4. Water and food may be scarce. Use them prudently but do not impose severe rationing, especially for children, the ill or elderly. 5. Cooperate with shelter managers. Living with many people in confined space can be difficult and unpleasant.
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